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Emotion-detecting tech should be restricted by law

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As someone from a less represented group in tech, I would want to know exactly who is classifying emotions present on the dataset. I don’t want to be mistaken as feeling angry anytime I don’t look happy or sad. There’s definitely unconscious bias to how certain people’s feelings are interpreted that lead to inaccurate perceptions.

Agreed. This all smells like snake oil to me. If they've gotten it to work at all, there's no chance it works for all people in all circumstances.

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So I guess with my anxiety disorder even computers will think “I have something to hide” because I look nervous. Jesus christ this world is a dystopia.

If it makes you feel any better, before computers it was the security guards that thought you had something to hide instead.

The difference is that security guards did not recorded each and every customer and built a database of people visited any store in any country and also not going to sell that database to the highest bidder and not going to hacked be by state backed groups.

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So I guess with my anxiety disorder even computers will think “I have something to hide” because I look nervous. Jesus christ this world is a dystopia.

If it makes you feel any better, before computers it was the security guards that thought you had something to hide instead.

If there were security guards sure. That's not exactly a given.

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> Emotion-detection tech is a prosthetic for autistic people Never heard of it being used that way. Not sure how current tools would work for that. Examples?

AFAIK it is not yet used this way in practice, but I see no reason it couldn't be integrated into AR glasses. This would allow autistic people to interact socially on an equal footing with neurotypical people.

The idea that people that have autism need to be assisted to be more like neurotypical people (for example by augmenting their ability to perceive emotions) is in a very real sense part of the problem of the treatment that they tend to face. I don't think it's a great idea to take as a given that this is necessary or even desirable.

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AFAIK it is not yet used this way in practice, but I see no reason it couldn't be integrated into AR glasses. This would allow autistic people to interact socially on an equal footing with neurotypical people.

The idea that people that have autism need to be assisted to be more like neurotypical people (for example by augmenting their ability to perceive emotions) is in a very real sense part of the problem of the treatment that they tend to face. I don't think it's a great idea to take as a given that this is necessary or even desirable.

What's your plan for changing human nature? Non-verbal communication of emotion is so important to human communication in general that it seems highly unlikely that any training scheme will overcome the dislike neurotypicals typically feel for communicating with people who fail at this ability. I think the concept of "uncanny valley" is relevant here, which is widely believed to be real by neurotypical people. Something which looks human but does not act as expected of something with human appearance supposedly produces instinctive feelings of revulsion in neurotypical people.

The only realistic option for low-risk in-person social interaction between autistic and neurotypical people who do not know each other well enough to predict emotional responses without needing to rely on real-time decoding of non-verbal communication (which is a learnable skill, but try having a conversation about an unrelated subject while busy programming to understand what it's like) is emotion-detecting AR glasses. The alternative is segregation, and lacking AR glasses, many autistic people do self-segregate.

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The idea that people that have autism need to be assisted to be more like neurotypical people (for example by augmenting their ability to perceive emotions) is in a very real sense part of the problem of the treatment that they tend to face. I don't think it's a great idea to take as a given that this is necessary or even desirable.

What's your plan for changing human nature? Non-verbal communication of emotion is so important to human communication in general that it seems highly unlikely that any training scheme will overcome the dislike neurotypicals typically feel for communicating with people who fail at this ability. I think the concept of "uncanny valley" is relevant here, which is widely believed to be real by neurotypical people. Someth…

In my experience it's very disturbing in the beginning (I have a very easy time getting annoyed, so it annoyed me), but it is very possible to overcome that with some patience. When you have the tools in your toolbox to do so, it falls on you to be more tolerant to other people. It expands to much more than just interacting with people who have autism, it is a good recipe to interact with anyone different than you.

Thus, I don't think I need a plan to change human nature. Collectively, we just need to grow up a little.

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I can be well represented in the data set, but here people can unwittingly classify my emotions incorrectly due to unconscious bias. What good will the data do if every time, I appear confused, I am labeled and angry?

The biases of labelers are tricky, because that work gets outsourced to low-wage countries.

That makes things worse, but we would still have a problem with the work being done primarily by us tech workers. I wouldn’t place the blame solely on unskilled low-wage workers. I’ve worked with Ivy League graduates that think I am angry when I ask a question and am just confused. The US education system is moderately segregated and many of our most educated students are not taught to be more critical of stereotypes perpetuated in the media.

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How we express our emotions will change and this will be useless

Unlikely; emotional expressions seem to be innate and hard-wired into the brain, hence the fundamental similarity between emotional expressions of groups separated for tens of thousands of years.

All of whom are connected and changing together now.

Also; hard-wired by who or what other than volume of use?

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