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Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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Post by npo9 »

tialaramex wrote: post #48
allovernow wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Statistically most likely from a ≈25-100mb US connection while developed countries the world over have had gigabit for a decade... Our internet is quite a bit behind because telcos in this country don't have to meaningfully compete. Plenty of legislation has cemented their market dominance through artificial (and unnecessary) barriers to entry with practically no accountability for shoddy service and infrastructure.…

Gigabit is not important, remember when you could finally buy a 10MW electrical feed for your home and how much it improved your quality of life... Right that didn't happen because it is not important at all. Running 100W to homes means people can have electric light, 1kW means they can have motorised appliances, and 10kW makes cooking and heating practical... But 10MW? You had no need for it, so it didn't happen. Li…

Receiving two 4K streams is ~50mbps. This is a pretty common modern use case for home internet.

At 1000mbps downloading any file takes roughly the same time, regardless of size. Offsite storage becomes practical for multimedia files.

Not every home benefits from 1000mbps, but it’s very possible to be a home that does. I don’t have a lot of data stored on disks in my home, because I know I can always download it quickly, even if the filesize is 100gb.

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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Post by joering2 »

allovernow wrote: post #39
gimmedanger wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... he said, while his comment posted correctly, in the moment he wanted, because the tech behind the posting ability was Right.

Statistically most likely from a ≈25-100mb US connection while developed countries the world over have had gigabit for a decade... Our internet is quite a bit behind because telcos in this country don't have to meaningfully compete. Plenty of legislation has cemented their market dominance through artificial (and unnecessary) barriers to entry with practically no accountability for shoddy service and infrastructure.…

Its on par with banking. On my trip to Europe in 2009 major cards were contacless cards (VISA). Just when I got my USA Visa chip card year ago I visit Europe again and most merchants were concerned why I still have a chip (“it wont work your card probably already expired. Oh wow chip card still working, amazing”). By 2010 you were able to wire money between banks at zero or close to zero fee inly using app on your phone and someone email. Just recently I was able to withdraw money from European AMT by using my email address (I had phone, no cards). I put my email in, verify when I got it and then in my email i I selected card and amount and replied. 15 seconds later ATM spit out $50. Altho I paid 3.2% transaction fee which I gladly did considering I didnt have my wallet w me and really needed cash.

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

#53

Post by Multicomp »

scarface74 wrote: post #47
gorgoiler wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Devil’s advocate: it’ll never change because where’s the money in being the provider of dumb pipes? More to the point, if you’re a publicly traded company with stock price and future earnings based off on this kind of rent seeking being priced into your valuation, and let’s also say you desperately wanted to do some the honorable thing and ramp operations down to dumb pipe level, how could the markets and shareholder…

Sure it can change. Apple is a model with iMessage. Google could build a messaging protocol that fell back to SMS/MMS if necessary. If you want to know why Android still doesn’t have a standard messaging app or a standard video chat app, blame the incompetence of Google who has a half dozen failed messaging initiatives under its belt. Once it was dominant on Android, google could also release an app for iOS.

That's what Hangouts was circa 2013.

It did Hangouts messages, video / data voice calls, or traditional voice calls or SMS messages depending on the capabilities of the other client.

But the culture of new products launched rather than iterating on existing products like Gchat and allo and other products needing to be launched and hangouts being pillaged on its feature set so the other ones would look like they had a reason to exist meant that instead of working towards a Google version of iMessage that they could release an iOS client for and that's dominate all messaging, Google fragmented their efforts in a spectacular manner.

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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Post by ThatPlayer »

scarface74 wrote: post #47
gorgoiler wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Devil’s advocate: it’ll never change because where’s the money in being the provider of dumb pipes? More to the point, if you’re a publicly traded company with stock price and future earnings based off on this kind of rent seeking being priced into your valuation, and let’s also say you desperately wanted to do some the honorable thing and ramp operations down to dumb pipe level, how could the markets and shareholder…

Sure it can change. Apple is a model with iMessage. Google could build a messaging protocol that fell back to SMS/MMS if necessary. If you want to know why Android still doesn’t have a standard messaging app or a standard video chat app, blame the incompetence of Google who has a half dozen failed messaging initiatives under its belt. Once it was dominant on Android, google could also release an app for iOS.

That theoretical Google messaging protocol wouldn't make a big difference because Google wouldn't be able to push it to every Android manufacturer, because of anti-trust laws. As long as manufacturers do not package it with every phone, and carriers don't want them to package it, it'll never happen.

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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Post by a1369209993 »

gimmedanger wrote: post #27
notlukesky wrote: post #3

When did carriers ever get anything tech based right? In fact to expect them is wrong as their business model is very different to a tech company. They are beneficiaries of law-bound limited duopolies or oligopolies. In most countries the only audience they care for are the regulators, and not consumers or their security and safety. Regulatory capture is a wonderful thing for these companies and not for consumers.

... he said, while his comment posted correctly, in the moment he wanted, because the tech behind the posting ability was Right.

> because the tech behind the posting ability was Right.

Yep - TCP can paper over a lot of incompetence.

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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Post by sixothree »

tus88 wrote: post #50
egwynn wrote: post #26

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According to most telcos. It appears to be the next “default” messaging service for (non-Apple) mobile users.

So SMS will be actually removed as a service?

On some phones it will not be the default messaging service.

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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Post by supercommand »

katbyte wrote: post #43
hocuspocus wrote: post #31

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The world is bigger than the US.

More then just people in the US use iPhones?

The us has half iPhones of China alone [0]. And America only contains 16% of the worlds iphones. So yes, America is not a big player when it comes to iPhone usage.

[0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/755625/iphones-in-use-in...

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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Post by scarface74 »

ThatPlayer wrote: post #54
scarface74 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure it can change. Apple is a model with iMessage. Google could build a messaging protocol that fell back to SMS/MMS if necessary. If you want to know why Android still doesn’t have a standard messaging app or a standard video chat app, blame the incompetence of Google who has a half dozen failed messaging initiatives under its belt. Once it was dominant on Android, google could also release an app for iOS.

That theoretical Google messaging protocol wouldn't make a big difference because Google wouldn't be able to push it to every Android manufacturer, because of anti-trust laws. As long as manufacturers do not package it with every phone, and carriers don't want them to package it, it'll never happen.

But they all install the Google Play Store. How hard would it be for Google to have a big banner when you open the Play Store “Get the Google Messaging App for a better experience.”

Re: The successor of SMS has already been hacked

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Post by juped »

inetknght wrote: post #59
michaelt wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

E-mail doesn't have end-to-end encryption either. PGP doesn't count.

TLS isn't end-to-end encryption?

No. End to end means that plaintext exists only at the two ends (initial sender, final receiver) of a communication.
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