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Reading the other articles.

Care to tell us which articles?

Have you even searched for them?

Took me 30 seconds to find this on a mobile phone while commuting to work:

Four Google Employees fired for violating co-worker's data privacy

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21635286

Top-level comment has a link with a list of articles.

Re: Google’s fires four organizers after hiring union-busting firm

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Currently, with the way labour organising works... it seems to either go nowhere, or go into a (belligerent) dichotomy. Professional organizers themselves often see it as an entirely dichotomous, zero-sum game, an inevitable conflict between opposite interests. Overall I'm curious about unions. I haven't had much/any direct experience for >20 years. Most of the Union examples we have today are either public-ish secto…

Labor should try to change regulation/policy to better help people live while trying to find a new job and/or simply unemployed. Forcing companies to employ someone they don't want is not a winning strategy on the long term. (Though worrying about poor poor companies is a bit premature considering how abysmal worker protections are in the US.)

Ultimately unions are representing an interest group, somewhat separate from the company and itself.

...it arguably make sense to go for job security. Security is valuable... to their members. If it's also popular with members, why not put it on the table? Even if it does hurt long term profits/success, profits are the primary interest of the other party to the negotiation... the firm/employer/shareholder interest. If the firm value (to take the other extreme) employment with n demand then they can negotiate for that, and compromise elsewhere.

The real reason (imo) that infirable employees, unsustainable pensions and other "union problems" happen is specifically because short term takes precedent in a negotiation. Looking 15 years ahead is the privelage of someone who isn't making hard compromises today.

Pension and job security promises are cheap now, expensive later.

Re: Google’s fires four organizers after hiring union-busting firm

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> One of the workers set up notifications to receive emails detailing the work and whereabouts of other employees without their knowledge or consent. This is shady/creepy. There is no need to know when and where a colleague is every hour, every day. You shouldn’t be allowed to do this. I’m glad an employee who does this is getting fired because I wouldn’t feel safe around them. My calendar is public, but that doesn’t…

Where are you quoting that from? I just string searched it in the article and got nothing.

The Bloomberg article doesn’t have that exact quote, but has the google memo with the allegations https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-25/google-fi...

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This article is ranked 16th on HN first page right now, and it has 80 points, was posted 4 hours ago, and has 16 comments. A different article [1] is ranked 8th on HN right now, and it has 31 points, was also posted 4 hours ago and it has 18 comments. They were both posted about the same time, they have the same number of comments, but the article that has significantly more points is ranked significantly lower. If I…

Well before going full conspiracy, I believe a lot of tech people are anti union themselves compared to some other fields. I'm not one of them but as long as there is demand like right now for programmers, the conditions and pay is good.

as long as there is demand like right now for programmers, the conditions and pay is good.

The time to assert your rights is when you have leverage, if you wait until you need those rights because you have no leverage it’s too late.

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Tech - Past - Leaders were science lovers, humanity saviours, Going past limits of intelligence. Tech - Present - Contaminated with Human management science, economics and anything that gets touched by money. Science based on top of money, is it a real science at all?

Nope.

Re: Google’s fires four organizers after hiring union-busting firm

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where are you quoting that from? I just string searched it in the article and got nothing.

The Bloomberg article doesn’t have that exact quote, but has the google memo with the allegations https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-25/google-fi...

HN link for that article: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21636583

Re: Google’s fires four organizers after hiring union-busting firm

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What always baffles me is the term fanboy, how in this day and age do we still have people believing/having faith in a company. They all did something abhorrent or yet to be caught doing it. And yet we have people who would seemingly jump into fire for a brand (even in face of damning facts). Is this a form of ancient tribalism still at play?

Indeed, I don't get how people can get into "don't be evil" and other kind of corporate propaganda.

How many years now has that NOT been a thing?

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Currently, with the way labour organising works... it seems to either go nowhere, or go into a (belligerent) dichotomy. Professional organizers themselves often see it as an entirely dichotomous, zero-sum game, an inevitable conflict between opposite interests. Overall I'm curious about unions. I haven't had much/any direct experience for >20 years. Most of the Union examples we have today are either public-ish secto…

Labor should try to change regulation/policy to better help people live while trying to find a new job and/or simply unemployed. Forcing companies to employ someone they don't want is not a winning strategy on the long term. (Though worrying about poor poor companies is a bit premature considering how abysmal worker protections are in the US.)

That's just not effective. You don't really have the same leverage when unemployed or looking for a new job.

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This article is ranked 16th on HN first page right now, and it has 80 points, was posted 4 hours ago, and has 16 comments. A different article [1] is ranked 8th on HN right now, and it has 31 points, was also posted 4 hours ago and it has 18 comments. They were both posted about the same time, they have the same number of comments, but the article that has significantly more points is ranked significantly lower. If I…

I once posted a story about Google and privacy violations and it reached #1 spot on HN but after about 30 min at the top spot it suddenly moved to page 2. I got the impression that Google somehow has power over ranking here. It could be through reporting by Google employees. But the title of the post was edited too, along with the demotion.

Re: Google’s fires four organizers after hiring union-busting firm

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This article is ranked 16th on HN first page right now, and it has 80 points, was posted 4 hours ago, and has 16 comments. A different article [1] is ranked 8th on HN right now, and it has 31 points, was also posted 4 hours ago and it has 18 comments. They were both posted about the same time, they have the same number of comments, but the article that has significantly more points is ranked significantly lower. If I…

I once posted a story about Google and privacy violations and it reached #1 spot on HN but after about 30 min at the top spot it suddenly moved to page 2. I got the impression that Google somehow has power over ranking here. It could be through reporting by Google employees. But the title of the post was edited too, along with the demotion.

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