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Re: Systemd Brand

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Post by luckycharms810 »

caiocaiocaio wrote: post #48
artonge wrote: post #21

Can someone share the reasons why systemd generate so much hate ? I seems to me that it is quite useful and easy to use.

Building a Linux distro was like playing with Lego: the pieces were very interchangeable (in practice there were difficulties, but usually ones that were fun and rewarding to resolve; "fun and rewarding" is the exact opposite of SystemD). SystemD also fails quietly or with useless errors and makes problems hard to diagnose - so a bug not directly caused by SystemD looks like it comes from SystemD because SystemD slim…

I will say on the flip side - Going from cron jobs to Systemd timers has been super helpful. You can use journalctl to track the output and find pesky issues like difference in shell, missing environment variables, file permission issues.

Re: Systemd Brand

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Post by simion314 »

sergiomattei wrote: post #40
artonge wrote: post #21

Can someone share the reasons why systemd generate so much hate ? I seems to me that it is quite useful and easy to use.

Because it's trendy to hate on systemd. It's a bandwagon. Really, that's it. There's technical reasons for really advanced users, but for average users systemd works just fine, and it's easy to use. In my experience, it's been a pleasure to use.

I agree that regular users should not debate this , but I seen admins critiquing systemd and regular users trending on defending systemd and on linux reddit the topics are always locked instead of moderating the bad actors.

As an example GDM/GNOME should not depend on systemd components and they should accept patches to support alternatives.

Re: Systemd Brand

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Post by tannhaeuser »

JohnFen wrote: post #30

> The log of OS components successfully starting up, as indicated by the green [ OK ], is what many people already identify systemd with. This made it a natural choice to derive our visual identity from. That's an interesting comment, since the green [ OK ] was in use for bootup messages long before systemd was a thing. Nothing about it says "systemd" to me.

It's a tasteless trait of Linux bootup processes since long before SystemD's existence (on RH, SuSE at least), along with totally accessible blue-on-black (wtf) terminal colors.

Re: Systemd Brand

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Post by caiocaiocaio »

sergiomattei wrote: post #37
caiocaiocaio wrote: post #33

What a waste of graphic design.

What's the problem with it? It's minimal and displays an element iconic to their boot logs. It's just a logo. You can like it or hate it, it's design. It's bound to be subjective. But why is it "a waste of graphic design"? On a side note, this kind of unhelpful/non-constructive feedback isn't welcome on HN.

I think it's great graphic design, wasted on a project that doesn't need branding or identity, and certainly doesn't need any more publicity than it already has. That logo could have been used on something that brought joy into people's lives.

Re: Systemd Brand

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Post by atonse »

I too don't get the systemd hate.

I like systemd precisely because the components are nicely integrated with each other. It seems like what we would design after learning the lessons of the last 15-20 years of how to manage a linux/unix machine.

I would assume more programmer types would like that the redundant "intelligence" that was placed in every init script is now gone, and replaced by a common core that allows you to declaratively say what's different about your daemon (or mount, timer, etc). I've also read that systemd has smart defaults, which is a great thing overall over init scripts.

I don't know if this is true, but I would also guess that it makes learning for newer people easier, since you have a similar paradigm and set of tools for your services, mounts, timers, etc.

It's consistent, which is great if you don't want to learn 20 different ways of doing things.

But then again, I also love the ideas from MS PowerShell and wish we had something like that in the *nix world, so we could pipe objects around rather than having to work with text and use awk, sed, cut, print, and all those things to keep legacy workflows around from decades ago. So maybe I'm just weird :)

Re: Systemd Brand

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Post by capableweb »

rabidrat wrote: post #44
capableweb wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Following that link, I also came across https://twitter.com/hintjens/status/783254242052206592 "I'm choosing euthanasia etd 1pm." @12:35 PM · Oct 4, 2016 From Wikipedia: Pieter Hintjens (3 December 1962 – 4 October 2016) was a Belgian software developer It's his choice, and I support it if that's what he really wanted, but it's still really creepy to see.

He was in a lot of pain and wanted to die on his own terms. He was an advocate for dying with dignity, and his last message was to help normalize euthanasia. The creepiness you feel is your impetus to work through your feelings about death and come to terms with it, to admire his incredible clarity and mental ease without having to couch it in "it's his choice" terms. I thought at the time it was a touching piece of…

Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my first message. I absolutely support the same thing and I don't mean creepy in a bad way. Maybe eerie is a better word for what I feel about public messages before passing away. I have no problem with voluntary eutanasia

Re: Systemd Brand

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Post by dbtx »

artonge wrote: post #21

Can someone share the reasons why systemd generate so much hate ? I seems to me that it is quite useful and easy to use.

I don't hate the USA, I hate fragile/secretly-already-broken promises and simply being lied to. systemd has a smell.

Re: Systemd Brand

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Post by jolmg »

JohnFen wrote: post #30

> The log of OS components successfully starting up, as indicated by the green [ OK ], is what many people already identify systemd with. This made it a natural choice to derive our visual identity from. That's an interesting comment, since the green [ OK ] was in use for bootup messages long before systemd was a thing. Nothing about it says "systemd" to me.

The comment is true for me, though. When I see a linux machine boot up and display a series of aligned [ OK ]s on the left-hand side, I know instantly that it's using systemd. I don't remember seeing [ OK ] with sysvinit, or at least not as uniformly.

Re: Systemd Brand

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Post by tempguy9999 »

artonge wrote: post #21

Can someone share the reasons why systemd generate so much hate ? I seems to me that it is quite useful and easy to use.

Every single previous discussion will cover this, pros and cons. Look in HN prior posts for your answer.
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