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Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by stevenwoo »

JungleGymSam wrote: post #10
stevenwoo wrote: post #7

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Breitbart being a trusted Facebook news source was kind of jaw dropping.

What's your take on CNN and MSNBC? Mother Jones? The Daily Kos? HuffPo? etc.

Not familiar with HuffPo but based on your examples of either middle of the road to corporate Democratic supporters I think the whole narrative of there being a bias against conservative news is a false victimization claim. There should be a bias against untruths, even wikipedia banned Breitbart and the Daily Mail as references.

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by [deleted] »

darawk wrote: post #41
Miner49er wrote: post #21

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This article posted to HN yesterday is better IMO: https://popular.info/p/facebooks-top-news-executive-has It points out Brown is friends with Betsy DeVos. It points out that Eric Owens, a far-right regular writer for the Daily Caller, has written 11 articles for The 74. I agree that the part about Warren is grasping at straws a bit. I think it's more interesting that Brown is right leaning, yet she's in charge of FB…

I'm not sure what the message is here, though. Should the person running FB news have no political affiliations at all? Because if that's the standard, then it seems what you'll get is just people hiding their political affiliations, which doesn't seem particularly good for anyone.

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Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by mikeyouse »

refurb wrote: post #27
mikeyouse wrote: post #20

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Breitbart is an explicitly white nationalist publication. There is no comparison with standard news. https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2019/11/12/stephen-mille... Edit: Good lord people. SPLC has a cache of emails from Stephen Miller written to various people at Breitbart about reporting their stories with explicit white nationalist ideology. You don't have to like SPLC to believe the leaked emails any more than yo…

SPLC is not an authority on what’s white supremacy and what’s not. They’ve been known to cast a wide net.

I'd encourage you to read the link instead of whatever kind of dismissal this is. They have leaked correspondence between Stephen Miller and Breitbart coordinating the latter's coverage with an explicit nationalist bent. Breitbart relies on Camp of Saints and VDare for their sourcing on policy stories. Have we already forgotten their "Black Crime" news tag?

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by r00fus »

macspoofing wrote: post #48
r00fus wrote: post #34

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> People really think free markets are better. Sure - despite being proven that charter schools (ie, free choice) have worse or equivalent scores to public schools [1]. There is not agreement here, there is controversy and the facts are not on the so-called "free markets" side. [1] http://www.nea.org/home/33177.htm

Honestly, no surprise (though 'equivalent' is more correct - nea.org isn't a dispassionate objective observer). The dirty secret in education is the quality of instruction, the condition of the building and the textbooks, whether or not iPads are readily available, all of that take a backseat to the circumstances in the child's private life. Stable home and engaged parents that take a personal interest in the child's…

Choice for "some" is at odds with fair access for all.

Charter school discriminate in responsiveness to requests [1] in admissions against special-needs and the poor (ie, the hard cases). Public schools simply can't do this.

[1] https://www.futurity.org/charter-schools-students-1937902/

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by mikeyouse »

rpmisms wrote: post #37
mikeyouse wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Breitbart is an explicitly white nationalist publication. There is no comparison with standard news. https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2019/11/12/stephen-mille... Edit: Good lord people. SPLC has a cache of emails from Stephen Miller written to various people at Breitbart about reporting their stories with explicit white nationalist ideology. You don't have to like SPLC to believe the leaked emails any more than yo…

SPLC brands anything they dislike "white nationalism". They're unreliable at best.

You should read the actual link where leaked emails show Breitbard using V-Dare and Camp of Saints as source docs for their articles...

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by rayiner »

Miner49er wrote: post #21
rayiner wrote: post #15

I feel like this is grasping at straws. Facebook’s head of news co-founded a site in 2015 that promotes school choice, something supported by a majority of people and a super majority of people of color: https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/11/school-choice-strong-... . The articles posted on this site were critical of Warren because of Warren’s opposition to school choice, but has also criticized the other Democratic…

This article posted to HN yesterday is better IMO: https://popular.info/p/facebooks-top-news-executive-has It points out Brown is friends with Betsy DeVos. It points out that Eric Owens, a far-right regular writer for the Daily Caller, has written 11 articles for The 74. I agree that the part about Warren is grasping at straws a bit. I think it's more interesting that Brown is right leaning, yet she's in charge of FB…

So what if Brown is friends with someone who shares a commitment to school choice? School choice isn’t a “right-leaning” position. Most of the OECD has it in some form. In Sweden and Denmark, you can get a voucher to go to private religious school. The UN Declaration of Human rights underscores the right of parents to choose how to educate their kids, including religious education if they so desire.

If Facebook treated Brown’s advocacy for school choice as disqualifying, that would actually be an indicator of extreme left-wing bias.

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by macspoofing »

r00fus wrote: post #54
macspoofing wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, no surprise (though 'equivalent' is more correct - nea.org isn't a dispassionate objective observer). The dirty secret in education is the quality of instruction, the condition of the building and the textbooks, whether or not iPads are readily available, all of that take a backseat to the circumstances in the child's private life. Stable home and engaged parents that take a personal interest in the child's…

Choice for "some" is at odds with fair access for all. Charter school discriminate in responsiveness to requests [1] in admissions against special-needs and the poor (ie, the hard cases). Public schools simply can't do this. [1] https://www.futurity.org/charter-schools-students-1937902/

>Choice for "some" is at odds with fair access for all

So instead of implementing policies to make sure the choice is available to all, your approach is to remove this choice from everyone and funnel them through the same monolithic system?

Nothing you argued, even if true (and I suspect you're not an objective observer either), is unsolvable through policy or regulatory changes.

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by gadders »

SN76477 wrote: post #50
politil_throw93 wrote: post #44

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But why did she claim it at all? Even if her family's story was correct, having one Native American ancestor at some point ages ago, does not make you simply 'Native American', does it?

As someone else said "I think it's plausible to be told something about your heritage and not question it"

Agreed, but if I was running for office or using it on official forms I would want to be a bit more certain.

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by rpmisms »

mikeyouse wrote: post #55
rpmisms wrote: post #37

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SPLC brands anything they dislike "white nationalism". They're unreliable at best.

You should read the actual link where leaked emails show Breitbard using V-Dare and Camp of Saints as source docs for their articles...

What I said is true, regardless of what Breitbart does.

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by politil_throw93 »

SN76477 wrote: post #50
politil_throw93 wrote: post #44

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But why did she claim it at all? Even if her family's story was correct, having one Native American ancestor at some point ages ago, does not make you simply 'Native American', does it?

As someone else said "I think it's plausible to be told something about your heritage and not question it"

I get that she believed that she was small fractional Native American if that's what she was told (and she thought a couple of percentage points on the test proved her right, so she already knew it was very small.) But she didn't claim to be small fractional Native American. She claimed to be simply 'Native American, period'. I can't see why she'd do that?
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