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All Magic Leap Patents Have Been Assigned to J.P. Chase Morgan as Collateral

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Re: All Magic Leap Patents Have Been Assigned to J.P. Chase Morgan as Collateral

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Wow. You think Jimmy would have learned after getting hosed down on WeWork...nope.

Just anecdotal but JP Morgan appear to be involved in quite a few shitty deals this cycle. I know they are going hard in syndicated loans, which is very hot right now, wonder what we will find out when the tide goes out.

Re: All Magic Leap Patents Have Been Assigned to J.P. Chase Morgan as Collateral

#52

The title and tone of this article make it sound unusual that the company used its IP as collateral. You can get better loan terms (such as the interest rate) if your loan is secured. If you are going to get a secured loan, the default is that it's secured by 'all assets', which includes IP. In order to perfect a security interest in IP, you need to make this type of filing -- and a lender will be especially sure to…

The reason it makes headlines is because the value of IP is very volatile and bogus collateral is a very old scam (not only in banking btw, fake valuations are a feature of many scams).

If I go to the park, pick up a rock, and then go to a bank and say there is diamonds inside worth $1m, and they lend against that then I have made $1m. If you lend against collateral, you are making a bet on the collateral being worth $X. JP Morgan have no idea what the IP is worth.

And btw, what is Magic Leap? They have got billions from investors with no product, they have now got billions from JPM with no product...either they have some of the most valuable patents known to man or this is an almighty scam (to be honest, I always hope it is the former because you have to be an abhorrent human being to pull off the latter...but that never is the case).

Re: All Magic Leap Patents Have Been Assigned to J.P. Chase Morgan as Collateral

#53

The title and tone of this article make it sound unusual that the company used its IP as collateral. You can get better loan terms (such as the interest rate) if your loan is secured. If you are going to get a secured loan, the default is that it's secured by 'all assets', which includes IP. In order to perfect a security interest in IP, you need to make this type of filing -- and a lender will be especially sure to…

The reason it makes headlines is because the value of IP is very volatile and bogus collateral is a very old scam (not only in banking btw, fake valuations are a feature of many scams). If I go to the park, pick up a rock, and then go to a bank and say there is diamonds inside worth $1m, and they lend against that then I have made $1m. If you lend against collateral, you are making a bet on the collateral being worth…

They released their product months ago.

Re: All Magic Leap Patents Have Been Assigned to J.P. Chase Morgan as Collateral

#54
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The title and tone of this article make it sound unusual that the company used its IP as collateral. You can get better loan terms (such as the interest rate) if your loan is secured. If you are going to get a secured loan, the default is that it's secured by 'all assets', which includes IP. In order to perfect a security interest in IP, you need to make this type of filing -- and a lender will be especially sure to…

Using patents to secure loans is not new. Most Famously Tesla did it. What makes it "news" is that Magic Leap was able to raise $2.6 Billion without having to resort to using the I.P. as collateral. It usually does not make the previous investors happy and you usually resort to this when you can't raise money any other way. It is also a one-trick-pony in that you can't do it again and future potential investors know…

how would a bank evaluate the risk -- do they generally have an internal team or farm it out to a consultancy? they don't have the history or contacts like VC or google's invesment funds. meanwhile, they are playing footsie with saudia arabia again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDv2E22Mz0s&feature=youtu.be...

Re: All Magic Leap Patents Have Been Assigned to J.P. Chase Morgan as Collateral

#55
FYI - normal venture debt companies like WTI include IP as collateral as part of their standard deal docs. Just know what you're signing.

You as founder are most likely going to be the one trying to sell your IP if your startup fails and your debt guys will essentially give you a commission to do so.

Re: All Magic Leap Patents Have Been Assigned to J.P. Chase Morgan as Collateral

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A company I used to work for was recently acquired because they were supposedly working on some kind of block chain technology. After the acquisition, all ‘work’ on the block chain was stopped and everyone reassigned to other, more mundane projects. Word is, the ex-CEO somehow sweet talked the acquirers with some fancy PowerPoint slides. He spends most of his time coming up with these proposals and shops them around…

Did this individual used to work in the identity space? Canadian?

I interviewed with a company that matches this description, I remember thinking their product sounded pretty silly.

Re: All Magic Leap Patents Have Been Assigned to J.P. Chase Morgan as Collateral

#57

The title and tone of this article make it sound unusual that the company used its IP as collateral. You can get better loan terms (such as the interest rate) if your loan is secured. If you are going to get a secured loan, the default is that it's secured by 'all assets', which includes IP. In order to perfect a security interest in IP, you need to make this type of filing -- and a lender will be especially sure to…

At least some of their key patents (https://patents.google.com/patent/US20130128230/en?oq=inassi...) are nearly halfway though there lifetime, so at best those patents will have a decade of value before they get a retail product out the door. It seems a bit like putting a decade old car up as collateral, sure it's got value but it's rapidly diminishing.

Re: All Magic Leap Patents Have Been Assigned to J.P. Chase Morgan as Collateral

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This is just an anecdote, but everyone and everything about Magic Leap has always struck me as pretentious, elitist, and ego-driven. I walked by their booth at GDC a couple years ago, and tried to struck up a conversation with the representatives. I was essentially shooed away and given a sticker. Later on that night, an invite to their Magic Leap party was sent to a telegram channel with an open invitation to 'come…

if they sent an invite 10 minutes before it was wrapping up it's because nobody showed up lol

We walked by the venue earlier that night and saw a pretty buzzing party (with lots of security).

Re: All Magic Leap Patents Have Been Assigned to J.P. Chase Morgan as Collateral

#59
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I'm amused that anyone ever took Magic Leap seriously. It's basically Apple's Newton; a good idea without the tech, without the infrastructure, without the content to sustain it and make it useful. Check back in after 10 years.

Newton's second release of hardware and software was actually pretty solid. It needed some user training (there were many features that simply weren't discoverable, but were slick one you knew), and it was expensive.

It certainly wasn't a toy with a couple half-baked demos and no actual apps. There was a healthy third party hardware and software developer ecosystem. A lot of people (including me!) wanted to see it work, and it was frustrating to have Jobs kill it right when it was getting traction.

Re: All Magic Leap Patents Have Been Assigned to J.P. Chase Morgan as Collateral

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> Magic Leap is estimated to have over 1,800 employees and 19 office sites. For a company that has no consumer product and has no revenue, to have this many employees is quite shocking to me.

They have had a consumer product out for over a year. You can find it clearly available for purchase on their website: https://shop.magicleap.com/
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