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Re: New York City is a mall

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Post by jhatemyjob »

cylinder wrote: post #42
jhatemyjob wrote: post #37

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Would you recommend someone live there for a year or two? Kinda tired of the bay area

Personally I'd rather experience living somewhere in Europe for a year or two. See if you can pull that off. Certainly no harm done living in NYC for two years especially if you come with a job lined up. It will definitely make you a bit more street smart and more adaptable, I think. As far as settling down permanently and raising a family, nope. One good thing is that living in NYC, for the first time I didn't feel…

I lived in Oakland (and commuted into SF for work) for a year and a half so I feel like I'm pretty street smart as it is

What's the draw of Europe? Personally I don't think I'd like being a foreigner and not having any friends there. Might be cool to visit for a month or two but 2 years is kinda.... stretching it? At least in NYC its still in the states

Re: New York City is a mall

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Post by moogleii »

hacknat wrote: post #9

I have to say that I feel bad for New Yorkers. I live in the middle of the country, but I work for a company on the lower east-side. I’m often in Manhattan, so I think I have a feel for what it’s like there and there is such a poverty of what a global city could be there. I’ve seen quite a bit of the world and dense Spanish urban centers are much better than Manhattan. Barcelona has created super blocks, which are th…

I don’t really agree with your opinion (especially as someone that came from the ‘burbs and if your primary experience is the LES, which is a fun area, but one of the grungier areas), but regardless, fwiw, Bloomberg tried to ban cars in Manhattan, but that plan was rejected. People love their cars here, even if they are in the minority. But it’s progressing, slowly. More bike lanes are being built. Broadway is slowly being converted to pedestrian-only piece by piece.

Re: New York City is a mall

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Post by hacknat »

dajohnson89 wrote: post #13
hacknat wrote: post #9

I have to say that I feel bad for New Yorkers. I live in the middle of the country, but I work for a company on the lower east-side. I’m often in Manhattan, so I think I have a feel for what it’s like there and there is such a poverty of what a global city could be there. I’ve seen quite a bit of the world and dense Spanish urban centers are much better than Manhattan. Barcelona has created super blocks, which are th…

Brooklynite here, but I've lived all over the country. We don't need your pity. There might be better examples of what an urban center could be, and some aspects of NYC are definitely a shitshow. But in my not-so-humble opinion -- nowhere else in the states comes close.

I wasn’t comparing New York to any place in the US. It is probably the best American city, but that’s not a high bar.

Re: New York City is a mall

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Post by hacknat »

adamsea wrote: post #43
kortilla wrote: post #31

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> NYC is commonly known in western culture as a world capital of culture, finance, and world politics Commonly known in NYC maybe. That view is antiquated in the rest of the US. > USA to be worthy of your sympathy based on their choice to live there is not constructive, nor rational. Wow, so sensitive. The pity is not because of their choice. It’s for how the urban planning of NYC has been consistently squandered for…

> Commonly known in NYC maybe. That view is antiquated in the rest of the US. Respectfully, I doubt it. People may not _like_ NYC, but ... - Wall Street - Carnegie Hall -MOMA, etc - As the other poster mentioned, the U.N. - Still tons of movies and shows use NYC as the setting for their story - Broadway, and theatre in the US - A huge part of the publishing industry is in NYC - Along with LA, Nashville, and Atlanta,…

This is deflecting. I was not arguing at all that NYC isn’t a global power and important city. I’ve been in more live able ones though.

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Post by Swizec »

moogleii wrote: post #34
Swizec wrote: post #21

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> nowhere else in the states comes close SF comes close. After moving to SF from [small city/town] Europe a few years ago I spent a long time thinking about what it is that draws me to SF and why the only other city in USA that I'd even consider is NYC. The answer I came up with was population density combined with population size. You want a big dense population. That creates the economies of scale that make a city…

After living in the suburbs of California for quite some time, I would have agreed with you. SF seemed like a metropolis in comparison. But after living in NYC for close to a decade, SF now feels like a large suburb with an attached city center. Imo, density/infrastructure/urban-planning-wise, SF feels most similar to Brooklyn, where cars are still very dominant. Brooklyn alone has a density of 35,000/mi^2, where Man…

I agree, I just haven’t had a chance to live in NYC yet :)

But it’s the only upgrade on SF that I can think of in USA based on the cities I’ve visited.

Re: New York City is a mall

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Post by dajohnson89 »

kortilla wrote: post #28
moogleii wrote: post #26

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What was the subject of his alleged whataboutism?

The rest of the US.

It's not whataboutism. USA is my country, no matter how shitty the cities are. There are reasons both personal and practical for why leaving the country and living in one of your beloved model cities is a non-starter.
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