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World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Post by adamch »

the-dude wrote: post #32
quest1 wrote: post #12

Articles about Climate Change seem to get very few comments on Hacker News. I think nearly every other article on the home page right now has more comments including an articles about building a flying taxi (47 comments). Honest Question: Why is there seemingly such little interest in what very well could be a huge threat to the survival of humanity? I asked a similar question here - and it got 0 comments! https://ne…

Let's please remember you have asked for it. I have lived through : - The end of the cold war, we were all going to die a horrible death, all at once. - Acid rain, all forests would die and consequently we would die too or have a terrible planet - The hole in the ozone layer, we would all get skin cancer ( I can't remember if we would die ) - Tchernobyl with elevated radiation stretching into Europe. Could not eat ap…

Rising sea levels are unambiguously bad for the millions of people who live by the coast.

Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Post by adamch »

jawilson2 wrote: post #34
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #19

> The climate crisis is closely linked to excessive consumption of the wealthy lifestyle. > Excessive extraction of materials and overexploitation of ecosystems, driven by economic growth, must be quickly curtailed to maintain long-term sustainability of the biosphere. > Profoundly troubling signs from human activities include sustained increases in both human and ruminant livestock populations, per capita meat produ…

> No leader of a developing country is going to go to their people and say, "Sorry, for the sake of the planet we are going to remain poor." And no leader of developed country is going to go to their people and say, "Sorry, for the sake of the planet, we are going to have to give up our lifestyle, and curtail our economic growth." Then we will all die, and will deserve it.

"We" won't deserve it. There is a small minority of people who have worked for 30 years to suppress research about climate change. For example, Exxon has known about climate change for decades, but funded denialists [1]

Unfortunately, these people are unlikely to suffer very much from climate change, because they will be able to afford higher food prices, private security, etc.

So a more accurate statement would be "Then millions of undeserving people will die, and the people who deserve to won't."

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExxonMobil_climate_change_cont...

Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Post by Proven »

quest1 wrote: post #12

Articles about Climate Change seem to get very few comments on Hacker News. I think nearly every other article on the home page right now has more comments including an articles about building a flying taxi (47 comments). Honest Question: Why is there seemingly such little interest in what very well could be a huge threat to the survival of humanity? I asked a similar question here - and it got 0 comments! https://ne…

Fake news. They've been warning of a climate emergency since the 90s. Completely useless! All they want is to milk the government for more money.

Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Post by the-dude »

adamch wrote: post #51
the-dude wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's please remember you have asked for it. I have lived through : - The end of the cold war, we were all going to die a horrible death, all at once. - Acid rain, all forests would die and consequently we would die too or have a terrible planet - The hole in the ozone layer, we would all get skin cancer ( I can't remember if we would die ) - Tchernobyl with elevated radiation stretching into Europe. Could not eat ap…

Rising sea levels are unambiguously bad for the millions of people who live by the coast.

People will migrate up to where the coast is. The North-Sea used to be inhatibed ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggerland )

Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Post by adamch »

the-dude wrote: post #10
Miner49er wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Population control is often a dog whistle for ethnic cleansing. I think they are simply trying to be very clear that they aren't advocating for that.

The merely want to control the population?

No. As the report itself says, stabilizing the population (or slightly shrinking it) will help fight climate change, but that can be done very easily without "population control".

"make family-planning services available to all people, remove barriers to their access and achieve full gender equity, including primary and secondary education as a global norm for all, especially girls and young women [1]

Which makes sense! Rather than some sort of authoritarian China-esque policy of limiting children, just spread access to goods (like education, contraception and abortion) which allow people to control how many children they have.

[1] https://science.sciencemag.org/content/361/6403/650

Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Post by yongjik »

quest1 wrote: post #12

Articles about Climate Change seem to get very few comments on Hacker News. I think nearly every other article on the home page right now has more comments including an articles about building a flying taxi (47 comments). Honest Question: Why is there seemingly such little interest in what very well could be a huge threat to the survival of humanity? I asked a similar question here - and it got 0 comments! https://ne…

Oh there are a lot of interest: otherwise these topics wouldn't appear on the front page. It's just that there aren't a lot to comment. What's the point of admitting we are screwed for the hundredth time?

Even "climate debate" has lost its appeal for me. The theater is on fire and we don't even know if there's an exit. I don't have the energy to argue with those saying the smell of smoke is entirely in our imagination.

If we want to get serious, it's time to metaphorically leave behind who's not on board, but then there's not much to debate any more.

Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Post by adamch »

the-dude wrote: post #54
adamch wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rising sea levels are unambiguously bad for the millions of people who live by the coast.

People will migrate up to where the coast is. The North-Sea used to be inhatibed ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggerland )

On a long timescale, yes, they will. On a short timescale, many people will die. You can't just move an entire house to a different city (and obviously no-one will be able to sell a house on a drowning coastline).

For example, the Pacific Islands will face rising tides along their whole coastline, while simultaneously facing extreme weather events and agricultural disruption. What's your solution for an entire country of people simultaneously trying to immigrate elsewhere?

Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Post by golf3 »

quest1 wrote: post #12

Articles about Climate Change seem to get very few comments on Hacker News. I think nearly every other article on the home page right now has more comments including an articles about building a flying taxi (47 comments). Honest Question: Why is there seemingly such little interest in what very well could be a huge threat to the survival of humanity? I asked a similar question here - and it got 0 comments! https://ne…

It's tangential to this site, like two straight years of wage gap articles.

Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Post by s_henry_paulson »

quest1 wrote: post #12

Articles about Climate Change seem to get very few comments on Hacker News. I think nearly every other article on the home page right now has more comments including an articles about building a flying taxi (47 comments). Honest Question: Why is there seemingly such little interest in what very well could be a huge threat to the survival of humanity? I asked a similar question here - and it got 0 comments! https://ne…

This isn't reddit. Everyone doesn't need to chime in on a subject.

If you're not a subject matter expert, I personally would prefer you not comment at all.

It's much more pleasant to read discussion from people that know what they're talking about rather than people offering their opinions because they think that other people want to read them.

This is primarily a technology site, so it's not surprising when you have popular articles in other subjects with few comments.

People can find something interesting without having the need to say something.

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