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Re: U.S. Seeks to Heighten Scrutiny of Foreign Investment in Tech, Infra, Data

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Post by Canada »

surge wrote: post #45
yourbandsucks wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we check the record? Post-WW2? Countries the US has invaded THAT BORDER CHINA: 2 Countries China has invaded, period: We have them 80% surrounded at sea between Korea, Japan, Taiwan and the Phillipines. People are really upset that they still control former-imperial-possession HK and have a remaining outlet. And they're the imperialists?

Google 9 dash line Google belt and road initiative People are upset that China isn't honoring their agreement and are dismantling the democratic system and free speech HK is enjoying now, these are universal human rights. Rather than China learning from what made HK so prosperous, as they were for a while, the new leadership is heading back towards the old Maoism policies that lead to the massive starvation and famin…

To be fair, it is also the position of ROC that there is one China (and they are the legitimate authority of it)

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Post by president »

oitudgiyters wrote: post #48
sneak wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's not forget that time just before your carefully chosen "40 years" where they starved 50 million people due to central planning. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward#Famine_deat...

Mao tried to have Deng killed, and Xi was sent to a re-education camp during that time. I’m not sure “they” is the correct term here.

I think OP meant "they" in reference to the CCP kleptocracy more broadly

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Post by greenleafjacob »

oitudgiyters wrote: post #47
president wrote: post #20

It's about time that the US start standing up to China's unrestricted warfare [1]. It's amazing that most Americans don't realize that China views the US as an adversary and has been quietly waging a war against the West. Why there are people who welcome the rise of Chinese/CCP hegemony when they are actively looking to crush [2] "Western values" is beyond me. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare [2…

What I don’t understand is how we got into this situation in the first place. We know how powerful the US intelligence agencies are. The fact that the CIA has been able to install leaders in previously hostile governments shows their competence. Aside from Iran, most of their operations were successful. Even in their missteps, they were able to limit its influence in the region. So how did it come to this? Why does i…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_of_China

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Post by account73466 »

oitudgiyters wrote: post #47
president wrote: post #20

It's about time that the US start standing up to China's unrestricted warfare [1]. It's amazing that most Americans don't realize that China views the US as an adversary and has been quietly waging a war against the West. Why there are people who welcome the rise of Chinese/CCP hegemony when they are actively looking to crush [2] "Western values" is beyond me. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare [2…

What I don’t understand is how we got into this situation in the first place. We know how powerful the US intelligence agencies are. The fact that the CIA has been able to install leaders in previously hostile governments shows their competence. Aside from Iran, most of their operations were successful. Even in their missteps, they were able to limit its influence in the region. So how did it come to this? Why does i…

>> We know how powerful the US intelligence agencies are

Yeah, it controls pretty much every communication device.

>> Even in their missteps, they were able to limit its influence in the region.

Compared to whom? No other country is any close in terms of controlling the world.

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Post by scilro »

Canada wrote: post #31
KorematsuFred wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Americans have tried to impose their values on rest of the world in last 60 years I am not sure why China doing the same is bad at all. At least china has not ruined a dozen countries.

Yeah, some very bad things have happened. Not excusing that. But also things have worked out really really well for a lot of countries the US has imposed its will on. Countries it went to war with and could have utterly raped and plundered without resistance or really any objection. You think China is going to do better? Will it be more fair? The regime in China is willing to hurt anyone who even debates its track re…

>You think China is going to do better?

Well... why wouldn't they? China since the time of Deng has been acutely aware of the risk of becoming an imperialist power[1]. Even if they have arguably crossed that line at some points (the South China Sea...), they're clearly attempting to take a markedly alternative path to becoming a superpower.

I think the media tends to portray individuals in the Chinese government as uniquely sinister and amoral, and the assumption is if given the opportunity, they'll commit all the same crimes the West did. But I find this to be quite a cynical view.

[1] https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1165122628757024768

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Post by 50656E6973 »

president wrote: post #20

It's about time that the US start standing up to China's unrestricted warfare [1]. It's amazing that most Americans don't realize that China views the US as an adversary and has been quietly waging a war against the West. Why there are people who welcome the rise of Chinese/CCP hegemony when they are actively looking to crush [2] "Western values" is beyond me. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare [2…

>Why there are people who welcome the rise of Chinese/CCP hegemony when they are actively looking to crush [2] "Western values" is beyond me.

Perhaps it's because Big Tech is full of people who favor Chinese ideals over Western Enlightenment/American ideals, such as:

-Group identity over individuality

-Mass tracking/surveillance over privacy

-Cenorship over free speech

-State control/power over self defense

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Post by rolltiide »

Canada wrote: post #39
rolltiide wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't say I welcome the rise of Chinese hegemony, but I do welcome the rise of a more collaborative world, and that requires middle ground where there hasn't been with US hegemony due to lack of competition: I know that I can't expect to do business in the US or Europe if I opine on Jewish sovereignty issues I know that I can't expect to do business in China if I opine on Chinese sovereignty issues The result is…

Yeah, there are consequences for challanging establishment views on certain topics, but nobody is throwing critics such as Noam Chompsky in jail, taking passports away from his family and restricting their movements, or doing the same to those who openly share his views. And such abuses of power, which have happened without a doubt, are in time recognised and documented as the wrong and shameful excesses they are.

> And such abuses of power, which have happened without a doubt, are in time recognized and documented as the wrong and shameful excesses they are.

I'd like to agree, but this only happens if you are able to dissolve the administration you disagree with.

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Post by account73466 »

Many of my scientific works were plagiarized by Chinese researchers. However, I still don't buy the hate on China that is dominant in media and here on Hacker News. Basically,

i) the US wants to forbid other countries to have a chance to win in pure capitalistic games. Thus, it will block strong investors from certain countries but let itself to invest in the same countries.

ii) the US (e.g., agencies and private firms) currently controls the entire world via political and electronic backdoors installed everywhere. So it sounds like a bad joke when people claim that China is inventing some surveillance mechanisms like if it is a new one.

I believe that we first hand observe how propaganda (here, against China) works. While China does some shitty things, the most precise short description I can come up with is that "the West" wants China to be its slave. I have no doubt this will happen to some extent in the same way it happened to Japan in the 80ies (no slavery, but drastic decay). In 2040 we will be told to hate India. In 2060 it will be replaced by some growing African country.

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Post by scilro »

president wrote: post #42
yourbandsucks wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China's record for the last 40 years is lifting billions of people out of poverty while we stomped around bombing places and killing millions in the name of exporting our awesome values. Oh, and our infra is falling apart compared to theirs while we spend all our money on bombs. Let's make a compromise -- China can run their country and we can run ours. Is that so controversial?

You don't get points on your track record for lifting people out of poverty when you're the one who put them there in the first place.

There are still Chinese people today who remember the pain of the Cultural Revolution. This is a history that isn't denied & only lightly censored if at all. Yet, they don't begrudge Mao for it. Probably because they realize that without having united as a country, and without having built that industrial base (as painful as that was), the good years they're seeing today would never have happened.

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Post by rhizome »

50656E6973 wrote: post #56
president wrote: post #20

It's about time that the US start standing up to China's unrestricted warfare [1]. It's amazing that most Americans don't realize that China views the US as an adversary and has been quietly waging a war against the West. Why there are people who welcome the rise of Chinese/CCP hegemony when they are actively looking to crush [2] "Western values" is beyond me. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare [2…

>Why there are people who welcome the rise of Chinese/CCP hegemony when they are actively looking to crush [2] "Western values" is beyond me. Perhaps it's because Big Tech is full of people who favor Chinese ideals over Western Enlightenment/American ideals, such as: -Group identity over individuality -Mass tracking/surveillance over privacy -Cenorship over free speech -State control/power over self defense

Those aren't non-Western ideals, lots of people in all countries strive to achieve power either via the imposition or in order to impose those qualities on their particular citizenry.

tl;dr: your category error invalidates your entire point.

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