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>He created a very valuable company, worth billions of dollars he created something that may very well lose its investors billions of dollars without ever turning a dime of profit. What the company is evaluated as on paper by people increasingly disconnected from reality isn't really meaningful. I'm not really sure what the market function or social function is of rewarding people with billions of dollars who create…
Perhaps I'm just not seeing any real victims here. Softbank and the Saudis wanted to roll the dice on some overpriced unicorns. They went into the deal with eyes open. And it looks like they're taking a massive haircut. Play stupid games... I do feel sorry for some WeWork employees that will lose their jobs. But, again, many of them joined hoping to get some upside when the company went public -- which was a gamble t…
WeWork Accepts SoftBank Takeover Offer
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#52I'm confused as to why this is so terrible. He created a very valuable company, worth billions of dollars. It makes sense that he should capture some large fraction of that wealth. Yes, some people will lose their jobs. But it's worth noting that those jobs wouldn't have existed in the first place if he hadn't started the company. His mismanagement has cost him and Softbank billions, which is appropriate as well. I s…
Re: WeWork Accepts SoftBank Takeover Offer
#53I'm confused as to why this is so terrible. He created a very valuable company, worth billions of dollars. It makes sense that he should capture some large fraction of that wealth. Yes, some people will lose their jobs. But it's worth noting that those jobs wouldn't have existed in the first place if he hadn't started the company. His mismanagement has cost him and Softbank billions, which is appropriate as well. I s…
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Well, he did spend 12 billion dollars building a 8 billion dollar company, so surely, he deserves some reward for his efforts..?
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There are lots of places on the internet to vent rage. There are not as many to gratify intellectual curiosity. These two things are incompatible. Here we want intellectual curiosity. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking that spirit to heart, we'd appreciate it.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
>He created a very valuable company, worth billions of dollars he created something that may very well lose its investors billions of dollars without ever turning a dime of profit. What the company is evaluated as on paper by people increasingly disconnected from reality isn't really meaningful. I'm not really sure what the market function or social function is of rewarding people with billions of dollars who create…
Perhaps I'm just not seeing any real victims here. Softbank and the Saudis wanted to roll the dice on some overpriced unicorns. They went into the deal with eyes open. And it looks like they're taking a massive haircut. Play stupid games... I do feel sorry for some WeWork employees that will lose their jobs. But, again, many of them joined hoping to get some upside when the company went public -- which was a gamble t…
Re: WeWork Accepts SoftBank Takeover Offer
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
>He created a very valuable company, worth billions of dollars he created something that may very well lose its investors billions of dollars without ever turning a dime of profit. What the company is evaluated as on paper by people increasingly disconnected from reality isn't really meaningful. I'm not really sure what the market function or social function is of rewarding people with billions of dollars who create…
Perhaps I'm just not seeing any real victims here. Softbank and the Saudis wanted to roll the dice on some overpriced unicorns. They went into the deal with eyes open. And it looks like they're taking a massive haircut. Play stupid games... I do feel sorry for some WeWork employees that will lose their jobs. But, again, many of them joined hoping to get some upside when the company went public -- which was a gamble t…
I agree I don’t weep for Soft Bank or the Saudis, but plenty of people took jobs not just on the promise of IPO riches. And laying off a company of WeWork and its subsidiaries size is more than just a handful of people entering the job market — a market that isn’t as good in every city, which is something to consider since We has quite a distributed workforce.
Edited: it is 15,000 people — not 12. And most of them will end up losing their jobs. That’s a lot of people.
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Would you please stop posting unsubstantive, ranty comments to HN? It isn't that you owe dysfunctional companies or dislikeable billionaires any better. But you owe this community better if you want to keep posting here. There are lots of places on the internet to vent rage. There are not as many to gratify intellectual curiosity. These two things are incompatible. Here we want intellectual curiosity. If you wouldn't…
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Would you please stop posting unsubstantive, ranty comments to HN? It isn't that you owe dysfunctional companies or dislikeable billionaires any better. But you owe this community better if you want to keep posting here. There are lots of places on the internet to vent rage. There are not as many to gratify intellectual curiosity. These two things are incompatible. Here we want intellectual curiosity. If you wouldn't…
It was a flip, lighthearted comment and I thought that was pretty self-evident. But fine, I’ve deleted it.
The problem isn't just one comment, it's that you've been posting like this repeatedly. We need higher-quality, more thoughtful comments on HN. It's not enough to rage at someone who got more money than you think they deserve. That sort of thing damages the container by lowering signal/noise ratio and encouraging worse from others.
I don't mean to pick on you personally at all—it's a systemic problem and lots of users underestimate how much they do it by 10x or more. But you've been here a long time and are a good user and we need people in that category to represent the values of the site.
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Perhaps I'm just not seeing any real victims here. Softbank and the Saudis wanted to roll the dice on some overpriced unicorns. They went into the deal with eyes open. And it looks like they're taking a massive haircut. Play stupid games... I do feel sorry for some WeWork employees that will lose their jobs. But, again, many of them joined hoping to get some upside when the company went public -- which was a gamble t…
Dude, come on. They have 15,000 employees. Most of them are going to lose their jobs. Those are the victims. I agree I don’t weep for Soft Bank or the Saudis, but plenty of people took jobs not just on the promise of IPO riches. And laying off a company of WeWork and its subsidiaries size is more than just a handful of people entering the job market — a market that isn’t as good in every city, which is something to c…
Wouldn't a distributed workforce mean a less impactful layoff for the employees? Much better to be part of a N,000 person layoff but one of only 200 people in your town then entering a local job market with all N,000 people at once.
Re: WeWork Accepts SoftBank Takeover Offer
#60Softbank ... now offically the Pets.com of 2019.
It's their playbook. Although they left the dotcom crash losing 99% of their value, they walked out with a stake in Alibaba now worth over $100B.