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Re: Apple CEO becomes chairman of China university board

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Genuinely wondering, how many more Uighur Muslims have to die before associating with the Chinese Govt. becomes bad optics? I understand this is a Chinese university but we all know all entities in China serve the agenda of the Chinese Govt.

> how many more Uighur Muslims

Sadly it will take a LOT more. Public outrage has an increasingly high tipping point and a very short lifespan. Governments, Corporations, PR agencies all know this. Is the average person on the street even aware of the plight of the Uighur Muslims? Contrast that with the recent forest fires in Brazil.

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Checking both of these universities' websites, I see that they have social networks listed on their footers. Tsinghua's Facebook and Instagram accounts have been inactive for 2 years, but Peking's are active, both with posts from today. I find this interesting given the Chinese censorship of these sites. Sure, a VPN would work, but I would be pretty amused if Chinese educational institutions are actually bypassing th…

With high probability, the links on the website are outdated. I'm an international student at Tsinghua, and a lot our lot of English web presence is stale. Both of the official instagram [1] and facebook [2] accounts have posts from within the last 24 hours. On-campus IPV6 gets you a connection to most "banned" sites. Imagine trying to do research without google scholar? Aside from "sensitive" times (anniversary of t…

So the rumour of Qinghua uni shipping a VPN from under the counter is true then?

Re: Apple CEO becomes chairman of China university board

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Certainly not, but this is exactly how China buys influence by courting the rich and important.

China has earned their influence. If you want to see an example of buying influence, go look at the middle eastern oil countries.

I think a lot of people don't agree with you, talked with some people of Tibet just, last night ( 6 hours ago)

Let's say they hate China's forced influence, not earned.

We can put other places inside of China even on the list ( Taiwan and Hong Kong). The politicians didn't earn their spot. They got placed there by Beijing.

And now more and more countries want to remove the debt from China's debts, along the one road, one belt.

Also, that belt is not earned. It was pushed by Beijing through fake investment propaganda, since the investments are debt loaden.

Even their friend Russia is looking for closer ties with alternatives, since trading with China has been a one-way road only ( trade resources and that's it )

Let's face it, China has put itselve on the top because it could move 1,4 billion people into cheap labour, first in China and now across the one road and one belt. All the rest was lies ( market access), market protection ( can't get your money out, enter the market with a required 50% partner) and scams ( debt loaded colonisation, fake 20-year lasting WTO promises,..) and fake numbers ( only China knows the real growth number and value of business in our stock market, we don't have access to it)

Best thing is, while it's trying to colonise Africa/Asia. We still threat them as it's a developing country, with all the benefits ( for them) that come with it.

We are so dumb.

Re: Apple CEO becomes chairman of China university board

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That's...weird. Of all the boards Cook could serve on, or not on, he chooses to join a random Chinese business school? It's hard not to think there's a quid pro quo going on because it seems completely unnecessary otherwise. Would be great to see Apple make further progress on manufacturing elsewhere.

> Tim Cook will work closely with Chinese government officials to promote Tsinghua University's economics and management school Tsinghua is not a random Chinese school - it’s China’s Harvard.

> Tsinghua is not a random Chinese school - it’s China’s Harvard.

Qinghua is more of an alternative central party school than Harvard.

The amount of kids of all kinds of influential people there is over the top

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College ratings are basically bs so I’d take this with a grain of salt.

I can say anecdotally that the graduates from Tsinghua that I have met are absolutely brilliant individuals.

You have to be brilliant to get into Qinghua. Same is true with MIT. However, having known Chinese students who got offers to both Qinghua and MIT, the choice for them was really a no brainer.

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Certainly not, but this is exactly how China buys influence by courting the rich and important.

I am wondering, what is the quid pro quo here. I don't like most of these people, but they don't ring to me like the kind of people who could be bribed with a seat at a prestigious university's board.

I think a public and a personal gain would suffice.

Even if it's only that their own stocks would gain with market access in China...

Re: Apple CEO becomes chairman of China university board

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For the record, School of Economics and Management (SEM) of Tsinghua University has always been having high caliber business leaders, Nobel Laureate, central bank governor and government officials on their board.[1] e.g. In fact, I doubt any school has a better advisory board than that of SEM of Tsinghua's, anywhere in the world. Even Hardvard / MIT / Yale's school dean/provost are on Tsinghua's board. If as an CEO,…

Big names are important in China just like elsewhere. Does this board actually do anything or is it just a Guangxi play?

Re: Apple CEO becomes chairman of China university board

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Genuinely wondering, how many more Uighur Muslims have to die before associating with the Chinese Govt. becomes bad optics? I understand this is a Chinese university but we all know all entities in China serve the agenda of the Chinese Govt.

many more Uighur Muslims have to die

Consider that Western companies make a huge fuss about “diversity” over here but not one single one of them has ever hired an Uighur in China.

Re: Apple CEO becomes chairman of China university board

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> Tim Cook will work closely with Chinese government officials to promote Tsinghua University's economics and management school Tsinghua is not a random Chinese school - it’s China’s Harvard.

> Tsinghua is not a random Chinese school - it’s China’s Harvard. Qinghua is more of an alternative central party school than Harvard. The amount of kids of all kinds of influential people there is over the top

PKU also. I think the cool kids mostly prefer PKU over more utilitarian Qinghua. I never really like the latter’s campus, way more sprawling and nowhere as nice as PKU across the street, but I’m biased.

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A selection of other members of this university board: http://www.sem.tsinghua.edu.cn/en/aboutsem/advMem.html Henry M. Paulson, Jr. Chairman, Paulson Institute Former U.S. Secretary of the Treasury Former Chairman and CEO, The Goldman Sachs Group, Inc. Mary T. Barra Chairman and CEO, General Motors Company Lloyd C. Blankfein Chairman of the Board, The Goldman Sachs Group, Inc. Carlos Brito CEO, Anheuser-Busch InBev M…

How do I interprit this list. As tit for tat or why else would a CEO join this board? Tesla is one of the only companies that really seems to be successful in China. Then you have Apple and others that are getting overtaken by domestic companies and not coincidentally a lot of financial companies ( that niche was pretty open in China, I thought) Does this list also explain why Microsoft asked the White House to lift…

> Tesla is one of the only companies that really seems to be successful in China.

> Am I wrong? If so, please explain.

GM has, over time, made an enormous business out of the Chinese market. They got in early and printed a lot of money there. Something like 1/3 of all their unit sales have been in China over the past decade. More recently it was closer to half. They went from 900,000 annual units in 2004, to 1.8 million by 2009. In 2018 they moved ~4 million units there, half their sales volume globally.

The financial entities on that list (Blackstone, Goldman, Citi, JP Morgan, BlackRock) all want access to China. China has been - sort of - working to open access to foreign financial giants like JP Morgan and Goldman. There's wide debate on whether that's more plausibly China trying to sucker them into helping with their debt situation, or whether it's the financial firms that will benefit more (no doubt they arrogantly think they can wrangle China for a fat profit, famous last thoughts when the debt monster turns).

Walmart has been in China for a quarter of a century now. They have a thriving, growing retail business there and have done modestly well [1] whereas their peers have flailed.

Dell has had deep manufacturing relationships in China for a while. More recently they started manufacturing in Western China (Chengdu) in 2012 and Xiamen before that.

Henry Paulson has a strange, slightly Kissinger like relationship with China, dating to the financial crisis and before. He has a lot of personal relationships with authorities there. He wrote a book about China ("Dealing with China: An Insider Unmasks the New Economic Superpower") and seems to have a personal fascination with the country. He openly admires them, so it makes sense he'd want those ties.

As the world's #1 or #2 consumer market, it makes perfect sense for Anheuser-Busch InBev to be everywhere there (to the extent they can), given they're a global beverage giant. Their stated position is that China and the region in general represents a very large growth opportunity in the coming decades.

Microsoft has a real business in China, generating several billion per year for them. It's not what it should be, but it's essentially all gravy given the alternative is piracy in China. All the way back to when Bill Gates was running the company they were working with China to limit piracy of Windows and Office. Gates made early ventures to China repeatedly to try to convince Chinese authorities to crack down on piracy. There's an amusing quip [2] from Gates about this from 2007:

> Today Gates openly concedes that tolerating piracy turned out to be Microsoft's best long-term strategy. That's why Windows is used on an estimated 90% of China's 120 million PCs. "It's easier for our software to compete with Linux when there's piracy than when there's not," Gates says. "Are you kidding? You can get the real thing, and you get the same price." Indeed, in China's back alleys, Linux often costs more than Windows because it requires more disks. And Microsoft's own prices have dropped so low it now sells a $3 package of Windows and Office to students.

I don't know what Comcast (Roberts) is doing there. They're a large telecom company and there is, I suppose, prestige in that list. Plus Comcast is now also a media & content company. I'm sure they want their content to have access to China, today and in the future.

[1] https://www.caixinglobal.com/2019-08-16/as-rivals-flee-china...

[2] https://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007...

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