The dual screens look like a marketing gimmick in search of an actual use...
I disagree, screen real estate is precious.
Presumably you can still use a window manager to page through all that content.
Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices
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Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
The reporting around this new device is certainly confusing.. "This product brings together the absolute best of Microsoft, and we're partnering with Google to bring the absolute best of Android in one product," Microsoft Product Chief Panos Panay said. "This is industry pushing technology." From https://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-unveils-999-surface-pro-... Edit: I'm realizing there are multiple new devices. The Su…
These guys just can not figure out a branding/marketing scheme that won't require overexplaining each time to figure out, and confusion by the consumer. What is a "Surface" if it's really 2 different things, with very similar names, that do completely different things and run incompatible operating systems?
They want to tell us that "this doesn't matter to consumers", but this is just another way of saying "we're only interested in actually marketing to consumers that can't tell the difference".
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
So you want two devices that communicate via a network? Or one device with muitiple monitors? Which are both already possible...
Of course it's already possible, but is it convenient? You're sitting at an airport gate and want to show something to your travel partner on your device. You unhinge the second monitor and hand it to them. That's what I envision based on what they described, not sending them a WebEx link or trying to setup some kind of screen share.
If you're already in physical proximity of them there is no need for a webex or any other remote connection. You just show them your screen.
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#54> So while a regular PC will boot up and immediately run all of the services necessary to run a Win32 application, for example, Windows 10X won’t load this subsystem until it’s needed. This, the company argues, allows it to be very efficient with the resources available on the machine and extend its battery life significantly. Hopefully they won't decide it is never needed.
They have already tried this one. It didn't end well.
What’s the killer app for win32?
Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices
#55The dual screens look like a marketing gimmick in search of an actual use...
I know it's not for everyone, but man, the Surface Neo is exactly the product I've been wanting. A foldable digital notebook that I can read books on, jot notes in, or markup PDFs on? Yes please.
Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Of course it's already possible, but is it convenient? You're sitting at an airport gate and want to show something to your travel partner on your device. You unhinge the second monitor and hand it to them. That's what I envision based on what they described, not sending them a WebEx link or trying to setup some kind of screen share.
If you're already in physical proximity of them there is no need for a webex or any other remote connection. You just show them your screen.
That's not the point. The GP comment clearly referred to using the second screen to share with someone nearby, such that two grown adults don't have to huddle around a single screen, possibly sharing earbuds. If you know where someone lives, why have a phone when you can send them a letter, right?
The point is, if you have two screens on your device, it would be useful to be able to unhinge one (possibly still tethered) to make it more convenient and comfortable for a second person to view what's on your device.
I would absolutely buy something like that for doing in person usability testing with prototypes in settings outside a usability lab.
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#57It reminds me how the first Surface Pro looked like. It was incomplete and useless device so it didn't go well. However, Microsoft didn't give up. After three iterations Microsoft finally made Surface Pro 3, which was the first useful Windows tablet with a cleverly designed keyboard and a great 3:2 ratio screen. The surface line finally took off and third-parties began to make "surface-like" products since then. Micr…
Actually, it reminds me of that pre-iPad Microsoft project that they killed off to focus on Windows 8. It was almost production ready too; had dual screens and there was a neat video of how the stylus interacted with it. I can't remember what it was called though and can't seem to find it searching DDG/Google.
The Microsoft Courier!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Courier
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#58Meanwhile, I'm still dealing with random scaling bugs from connecting external monitors with lower pixel density to my high pixel density Surface Pro devices. Only thing that really "fixes" it is setting a custom scaling factor of 100% and reducing the Surface's resolution to make it still readable. (Then I end up with black bars along the edges, as the lower resolution options aren't the same 3:2 aspect ratio as the…
Do this daily, it should work fine.
Are you cloning the display? That'll require scaling of some type.
If you want to only use the external display that should work fine, if you "close" the Surface it should be smart enough to not go to sleep and instead to just route everything to the external screen.
If you are extending, then Windows 10 has supported monitors with different DPI scaling factors for awhile as well. The option isn't that apparent. Right click desktop, display settings, you can select a monitor and set the DPI scaling on that particular display.
If you are cloning the Surface's display to an external, then yeah, you'll have a hard time about it. High DPI + different aspect ratio.
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#59The whole concept of OS integration across devices is a complete failure for Microsoft. Calling this new thing a "new OS" sounds like a failure to fulfill what the Windows brand used to mean: support across a large range of devices. Isn't Windows already supporting multiple display? Maybe not in the "tablet" sub-OS... which is clearly not up to the standard set by the "desktop" sub-OS.
Anyway, the only thing that keeps Windows relevant even today is its classic Win32 API applications. Everything else they tried to do has always been half-baked. I'm not optimist for the future of the platform.
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Clearly Microsoft disagrees. They are putting tremendous effort into using chromium for their new Edge browser so I would have to assume they would put even more resources into customizing Android to their liking. Perhaps on a technical level, chromium-Edge will 'feel' like any other chromium based browser and android-Windows will 'feel' like any other Android based OS BUT for normal & business users - there is a lot…
> Clearly Microsoft disagrees And clearly they are in the wrong, but they can't do anything about it anyway, as their platform efforts on mobile faltered.
Sadly, as they gave up when they already had about 10% market share in Europe.
However Windows 10 tablets are winning the hearts of tablet users not willing to pay for Apple experience, not Android tablets that usually only have upscaled phone apps as option for most apps.