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Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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This is why I am a Tesla fanboy (although somewhat begrudgingly due to Elon's recent antics). They have made car ownership such a joyous experience. I am eagerly waiting to download this and go to town

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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I used to be a huge enthusiast, drove mr2s, z06 corvettes, a wrx, bmw 3 series, autocrossed the competitively. Driving an electric tesla made all of those cars feel utterly dumb . If you drive cross country a lot or do long track sessions, I get it, tesla won't work well, but if you don't think an enthusiast would like a tesla, give one a try.

Same. The Tesla Model 3 is great. I'd get one if I didn't have crushing doubt about their ability to service their cars. Or stay in business long-term.

> I'd get one if I didn't have crushing doubt about their ability to service their cars. Or stay in business long-term.

Are you serious? That false narrative fueled by FUD has been the talking point by short-sellers since 2008 (Only Tesla and Ford survived the 2008 market crash btw).

It's now 2019 and you would think people would know any better.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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post #51

This is why I am a Tesla fanboy (although somewhat begrudgingly due to Elon's recent antics). They have made car ownership such a joyous experience. I am eagerly waiting to download this and go to town

Is it a joyous experience when you have to wait 1 month+ for basic replacement parts to arrive? How about when your consumer grade touch panel dies from heat and vibration?

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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I guess it's an "keep going" button that you have to hold down, but still, if you're phone freezes - is there a fail state we can be absolutely certain of between the phone and the car?

You hope the car relies on continuous signal from the phone to proceed. It's certainly possible that the phone freezes in a way that the "keep going" signal continues to be sent, but it's probably not the more likely failure mode. Definitely a good thing to be concerned about!

I may be just a bad developer but my first thought when I see or build a new feature for anything is "how could this go wrong, and who will it kill if it does?" Thankfully, I don't make self driving vehicles, so the second question is usually at worst a handful.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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post #51

This is why I am a Tesla fanboy (although somewhat begrudgingly due to Elon's recent antics). They have made car ownership such a joyous experience. I am eagerly waiting to download this and go to town

Is it a joyous experience when you have to wait 1 month+ for basic replacement parts to arrive? How about when your consumer grade touch panel dies from heat and vibration?

Imagine describing sitting in a parking lot watching YouTube in your car a "joyous experience".

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Netflix in a car that doesn't yet have fully autonomous driving. Perhaps not the greatest of ideas Or maybe its while stationary only?

I would not be surprised if a lot of people elected to watch shows in their parked car instead of their living room simply because of the fantastic audio system.

I don't have a surround sound system in my home, but I do in my Model 3! Looking forward to trying it out :)

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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post #51

This is why I am a Tesla fanboy (although somewhat begrudgingly due to Elon's recent antics). They have made car ownership such a joyous experience. I am eagerly waiting to download this and go to town

Is it a joyous experience when you have to wait 1 month+ for basic replacement parts to arrive? How about when your consumer grade touch panel dies from heat and vibration?

I challenge you to go to the teslamotorsclub.com forums or Reddit and poll ACTUAL users.

You will quickly find that this is NOT the majority. I frequent those forums and most users are very satisfied with their cars.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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They are one digital steering knob away from turning the whole thing into an 500 Hp RC car.

Like the car from Tomorrow Never Dies (1997), 22 years later.

Well, there's a cross-promotion I really hope one day happens. Tesla and a 20 year old movie! Yeah!

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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> we can be absolutely certain Such a thing does not exist. You can only add more nines (e.g. heartbeats, check sensor jitter etc.). At some point you're more likely to be ran over by another car than the tesla slowly, patiently crushing you at 2km/h. Of course that doesn't mean tesla is actually that reliable.

Heartbeats won't catch UI freezes, which I've seen on phones. Hopefully, those would result in a drop of the input signal rather than it locked in its prior state, though.

Heartbeat would hopefully also include a counter, so that a locked input signal would result in the vehicle rejecting the heartbeat (sees that each message is the same instead of incrementing the counter).

No guarantee that's how they implemented it, though.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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post #30

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> we can be absolutely certain Such a thing does not exist. You can only add more nines (e.g. heartbeats, check sensor jitter etc.). At some point you're more likely to be ran over by another car than the tesla slowly, patiently crushing you at 2km/h. Of course that doesn't mean tesla is actually that reliable.

Heartbeats won't catch UI freezes, which I've seen on phones. Hopefully, those would result in a drop of the input signal rather than it locked in its prior state, though.

They could mitigate such a failure mode by requiring a constant motion, like swiping a knob back and forth continuously
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