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I'm not. Actually I have little information about holocaust, how it happened, when happened, where happened etc.
Then you need to stay as quiet as you possibly can until you do.
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Development and testing of the Stuxnet worm
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Re: Development and testing of the Stuxnet worm
#52I haven't decided yet how to feel about Stuxnet. On one hand, good guys don't release viruses into the wild, period . On the other hand, only good has come from this. Iran doesn't get nukes until later and industry figures out that they need to lock down their machine controllers, without any real damage.
Iran doesn't get nukes until later So, we're not going to change the end-game, we're just going to piss of Iran....and you think that's good? Consider things from the Iranian's perspective. Back in the day, they were establishing a legitimate democratically elected government. The US overthrew that government and pushed a brutal dictator into power, who tortured and murdered many Iranians. From their perspective, the…
You're speaking as if that hypothetical person in Iran actually exists and is immortal.
The Iranians in 1953 are not the same Iranians today.
The situation today is that you have a sabre rattling theocracy that funds terrorism trying to get nuclear weapons.
What possible concession could the West make to get Iran to stop striving for nukes? Nothing. Iranian leadership wants nukes before their rule is overthrown by the people in favour of a democracy. Before the hearts and minds of a sufficient majority move for change away from totalitarianism.
It's very important to stop them from getting nuclear weapons. 1953 has no bearing on this situation 60 years later.
Re: Development and testing of the Stuxnet worm
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So, we're not going to change the end-game, we're just going to piss of Iran....and you think that's good? All I want is for nobody to get nuked. I think it's more likely that nobody will get nuked if Iran doesn't have nukes. But you're right that Stuxnet is a dirty move that erodes trust, that's why I'm conflicted. We have a terrible track record of getting large scale systems secured, even in areas where those syst…
I think it's more likely that nobody will get nuked if Iran doesn't have nukes. But this doesn't stop Iran from getting nukes, it only delays them. And I don't see why Iran getting nukes increases the probability of anyone getting nuked. A nuclear Iran is an Iran that still responds to deterrence. Surely going from complete obliviousness to awareness is the biggest step the industry will ever take to being secure Dis…
>But this doesn't stop Iran from getting nukes, it only delays them.
Eating doesn't stop hunger, it only delays it.
"Stopping" something is inherently temporary. You can say the exact same thing about stopping anything.
Exercise doesn't stop obesity, it only delays it.
Delay is exactly the goal.
Eventually the Iranian public is going to overthrow their theocracy and create a democracy. Then they will probably stop striving so hard for nukes because the leaders will turn to creating prosperity rather than attempting to achieve a false security through apocalyptic weapons.
Re: Development and testing of the Stuxnet worm
#54Re: Development and testing of the Stuxnet worm
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
good guys don't release viruses into the wild, period. Didn't one of the guys from Y Combinator once release a virus into the wild?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_worm It was an accident, though.
>It was an accident, though.
Does anyone really believe this?
Re: Development and testing of the Stuxnet worm
#56I haven't decided yet how to feel about Stuxnet. On one hand, good guys don't release viruses into the wild, period . On the other hand, only good has come from this. Iran doesn't get nukes until later and industry figures out that they need to lock down their machine controllers, without any real damage.
Aren't people worried Iran could potentially develop something similar to target oil rigs? Is there a guy at the CIA saying, "Oh don't worry about it boys; it's a one off, they'll never be able to figure it out or respond in kind." At one point Persians were one of the most educated minorities in the US. They have good universities in Iran and I wouldn't put it past them to develop the capabilities to push back again…
All the educated Persians I know hate the crap out of the Iranian government and are happy about Stuxnet
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Think for one minute. Who is the craziest nation in this regard? Who has used nukes twice to murder people. US of course.
Never remind Americans that they deliberately slaughtered over 100,000 civilians with nuclear weapons - they don't like it.
Would Muslims abstain from killing civilians in a world war?
Moral arguments are pointless. We need results oriented thinking.
Is it better or worse for everyone if Iranian leaders have nukes?
I think even most Iranians would agree that it is worse. Their government is not exactly popular.
Re: Development and testing of the Stuxnet worm
#58You Americans don't get it. Israel and US murder our scientists. They try to stop our progress towards nuclear energy. They put sanction on us so we can't buy things like air planes and our planes are old and they crash and people die. ... All because of what? Because they believe we want to build stupid nuclear bomb -which we don't- and they have no evidence of it. So we stay in a war. Peace is never going to become…
Trust is not easy.
If you were the Prime Minister of Israel what would you do?
Re: Development and testing of the Stuxnet worm
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Think for one minute. Who is the craziest nation in this regard? Who has used nukes twice to murder people. US of course.
Never remind Americans that they deliberately slaughtered over 100,000 civilians with nuclear weapons - they don't like it.
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Re: Development and testing of the Stuxnet worm
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Aren't people worried Iran could potentially develop something similar to target oil rigs? Is there a guy at the CIA saying, "Oh don't worry about it boys; it's a one off, they'll never be able to figure it out or respond in kind." At one point Persians were one of the most educated minorities in the US. They have good universities in Iran and I wouldn't put it past them to develop the capabilities to push back again…
All the educated Persians I know hate the crap out of the Iranian government and are happy about Stuxnet
Could this be confirmation bias, because only liberal iranians would talk to a Westerner?