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Twitter discloses 10k accounts suspended for fomenting political discord

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Re: Twitter discloses 10k accounts suspended for fomenting political discord

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Post by tantalor »

mc32 wrote: post #41
tantalor wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter does not constrain your ability to hold/believe your opinion, merely to express it on their platform (which they own and grant you access under the condition you conform to the rules they apply to everybody).

So if a foreign concern were to buy Twitter and they changed their ToS and banned talk of dissident oppression in Russia and banned talk of persecutions in China and banned talk about climate change, people would just chuck it up to, “it's their platform” love it leave it?

Yes.

Re: Twitter discloses 10k accounts suspended for fomenting political discord

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Post by voxic11 »

dymk wrote: post #34
GrassFedAltCoin wrote: post #33

I'm amazed at how certain people seem on either side of this debate. This seems to me like an incredibly difficult problem, and I can't see a solution that doesn't involve significant trade offs. On one hand, silencing people for "inciting unrest" does sound like something a dystopian judge would say before passing sentence. On the other, there is a philosophical argument—and economic incentive—for Twitter to protect…

A single individual or organized group possessing thousands of accounts used to astroturf a platform is abusive of the platform, regardless of what the message is - banning that sort of activity doesn't seem dystopian.

That sounds different and a lot more specific than simply "inciting unrest". Facebook calls it "coordinated inauthentic behavior" which while still very broad at least seems to be more specifically directed at the behavior you describe.

Re: Twitter discloses 10k accounts suspended for fomenting political discord

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Post by Porthos9K »

jstewartmobile wrote: post #47
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People could be understanding the sarcasm, but instead down-voting as that's not what this site is meant for.

literature and history be damned, we should all stand in obedient awe of some lisp nerd's rules for meaningful conversation

This is what we get for pushing a "STEM uber alles" educational agenda and deriding the liberal arts as an expensive path to a lifetime spent asking people if they'd like fries with that.

We get techies who read satire literally and get upset when told that the sonic boom they just heard was the point getting ready to skip past light speed and ridiculous speed in favor of going to plaid.

Re: Twitter discloses 10k accounts suspended for fomenting political discord

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Post by WhatIsDukkha »

vkou wrote: post #26
panarky wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the first time I've heard someone argue that state-sponsored agitprop is free speech, while suppressing it on a private platform is somehow dystopian. Ignorance is strength?

State-sponsored agitprop bad, private, corporate-sponsored agitprop good. Am I understanding the implications of your post correctly?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

I think is pretty directly relevant to your "question"?

So unless we deal with the problem of Coca Cola being on twitter we can't deal with state sponsored bots?

Your question seems insincere and merely aimed at morally confusing the issue to no useful purpose.

Re: Twitter discloses 10k accounts suspended for fomenting political discord

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Post by Porthos9K »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #42
Porthos9K wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice sarcasm. Too bad hardly anybody seems to get it.

People could be understanding the sarcasm, but instead down-voting as that's not what this site is meant for.

If they really think it's inappropriate, shouldn't they be flagging it for the mods to handle?

Re: Twitter discloses 10k accounts suspended for fomenting political discord

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Post by sterkekoffie »

djsumdog wrote: post #21
mc32 wrote: post #8

If they are bots which get paid or are under control of a government, sure, suspend. If these are individuals voicing opinions and not inciting violence, I think they are wrong. People should be able to have disagreeable opinions, even illegal opinions (“pot should be legal”), “the minister in an asshole”. People should not be guilty of wrongthink.

Twitter blocked my account for a nearly 10 year old post. I'll admit, I'm not prod of the post. It was immature and something I wouldn't write today. But looking at our past is how we grow, and erasing it doesn't seem right: https://fightthefuture.org/article/twitter-is-trying-to-eras...

I don't see how anyone is going to grow from being exposed to your misogynistic tweets. Getting banned is better than nothing, even if 10 years too late.

Re: Twitter discloses 10k accounts suspended for fomenting political discord

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Post by nradov »

mc32 wrote: post #41
tantalor wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter does not constrain your ability to hold/believe your opinion, merely to express it on their platform (which they own and grant you access under the condition you conform to the rules they apply to everybody).

So if a foreign concern were to buy Twitter and they changed their ToS and banned talk of dissident oppression in Russia and banned talk of persecutions in China and banned talk about climate change, people would just chuck it up to, “it's their platform” love it leave it?

Yes that's how I would react. So what. It's only Twitter. There are plenty of alternatives.

Re: Twitter discloses 10k accounts suspended for fomenting political discord

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Post by jstewartmobile »

Porthos9K wrote: post #55
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People could be understanding the sarcasm, but instead down-voting as that's not what this site is meant for.

If they really think it's inappropriate, shouldn't they be flagging it for the mods to handle?

give it a just little more time...

Re: Twitter discloses 10k accounts suspended for fomenting political discord

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Post by [deleted] »

GrassFedAltCoin wrote: post #33

I'm amazed at how certain people seem on either side of this debate. This seems to me like an incredibly difficult problem, and I can't see a solution that doesn't involve significant trade offs. On one hand, silencing people for "inciting unrest" does sound like something a dystopian judge would say before passing sentence. On the other, there is a philosophical argument—and economic incentive—for Twitter to protect…

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Re: Twitter discloses 10k accounts suspended for fomenting political discord

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Post by vkou »

WhatIsDukkha wrote: post #54
vkou wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

State-sponsored agitprop bad, private, corporate-sponsored agitprop good. Am I understanding the implications of your post correctly?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism I think is pretty directly relevant to your "question"? So unless we deal with the problem of Coca Cola being on twitter we can't deal with state sponsored bots? Your question seems insincere and merely aimed at morally confusing the issue to no useful purpose.

How on Earth is pointing out the hypocrisy of censoring paid propaganda by a state actor, but not by a corporate actor whataboutism? This is an incredibly relevant issue.

And we're not even trying to 'deal with the problem of Coca Cola being on Twitter'. The whole raison d'etre for Twitter's existence is dissemination of paid propaganda by corporate actors. It's what keeps the lights on at Twitter! Ads, promoted tweets, and other forms of paid speech.

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