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Facebook launches Portal TV, a $149 video chat set-top box

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#51
If you accept the premise that Facebook is hemorrhaging users (or worried about hemorrhaging users), these sorts of products makes sense as a means to ensure you ALWAYS have a active Facebook account.

Kind of like everyone has a Google account, either through personal gmail-esque services, a google-for-education account, an android device, a Google IoT device, their work account, etc.

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More info about the underlying technology: https://ai.facebook.com/blog/smart-camera-portal-advances More info about the privacy settings: https://portal.facebook.com/privacy/ Disclosure: I work at FB, my team developed the underlying MaskR-CNN technology.

Do you trust Facebook to adhere to their publicly stated privacy policy? Do you think they have honored those policies in the past?

>Do you trust Facebook to adhere to their publicly stated privacy policy?

Yes. Definitely.

> Do you think they have honored those policies in the past?

I believe they have though I have not been at Facebook very long so I don't have full visibility on this. But I don't think that's the most important question. The most important question is: were these policies strong enough? The answer is definitely no and that's why the company is pivoting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtxPdezclYw&feature=youtu.be

Re: Facebook launches Portal TV, a $149 video chat set-top box

#53

I know there probably won't be much actual discussion on anything but privacy concerns here on HN (don't get me wrong, it's an important discussion to have, but it tends to push out literally everything else), but I did want to point out that this quote from the article is nice to see: >We’ve done what we can in this latest generation of products, now with integrated camera covers that are hardware, indicator lights…

I like the hardware camera covers. My latest desk phone came with one, and it's a good feeling to know that this camera that's pointed at me all day is physically blocked. Tape works, but is ugly.

Of course, given a choice, I'd prefer to have fewer cameras pointed at me.

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I'm sure lots of smart people spent a lot of time and effort working on this, but unfortunately my answer is: Hell no!

As someone in the same boat as you, it does seem like Portal webpage is directly acknowledging this sentiment and addressing them[0]. Whether or not this page can be trusted, we'll have to see what people find out (I sure ain't going to pay for it to do that myself). [0]: https://portal.facebook.com/privacy/

I like how facebook webpage set's cookies local storage and session storage data, tags me in their CMS and show's me message "Private by design"

I feel safe now.

Re: Facebook launches Portal TV, a $149 video chat set-top box

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post #6

More info about the underlying technology: https://ai.facebook.com/blog/smart-camera-portal-advances More info about the privacy settings: https://portal.facebook.com/privacy/ Disclosure: I work at FB, my team developed the underlying MaskR-CNN technology.

So you were on a team of people all working on the same R-CNN? What was that like? How was work divided and what was the dynamic?

My team developed Detectron (https://github.com/facebookresearch/Detectron) and Detectron2 (PyTorch version, coming soon). Another team optimized it for mobile. A third team integrated it with Portal.

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I'm sure lots of smart people spent a lot of time and effort working on this, but unfortunately my answer is: Hell no!

The WhatsApp brand is trusted a lot more and is a lot cooler than the Facebook brand. They'd probably get a lot more success if they used the WhatsApp brand here.

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#59
"There will be no fight. It will not be hard to keep an eye on the masses. No one will be duped into giving up their rights. The sad part actually, is that they will take it willingly. Gladly, and they will be happy with it." -- Someone, somewhere, I can't remember.

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I'm sure lots of smart people spent a lot of time and effort working on this, but unfortunately my answer is: Hell no!

> lots of smart people spent a lot of time and effort working on this That's unfortunately true of a lot of undesirable things. Ad tech, trackers, robocall software, nicotine, wacky inflatable tube guy, large swaths of law and politics... Wouldn't it be great if we all worked on good things? The whole hill climbing / gradient ascent algorithm this planet is running would work a lot faster.

Actually, Nicotine (without the rest of the cigarette) actually probably isn't as bad (in particular, might not be addictive).

https://www.gwern.net/Nootropics#nicotine

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