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Two California hikers found a family's message in a bottle and helped save them

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Re: Two California hikers found a family's message in a bottle and helped save them

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Why could they not turn around and go back the way they came? I am not a hiker.

Because descent is usually trickier than ascent. If you've ever climbed down a ladder missing a rung there is that brief moment of free fall where you assume where you're going to land. But if you're on a rain slick, moss covered trail a controlled descent can be difficult even under ideal circumstances.

People also have tendency not to want to backtrack uphill again so will continue downhill way past the point where it stops being a good idea.

Re: Two California hikers found a family's message in a bottle and helped save them

#52
post #32

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>> Over the years, HN has grown more and more in the direction of reddit front page and become less and less like an irc channel where people talk about technology. Here is HN snapshot from 2008: http://web.archive.org/web/20080105031416/https://news.ycomb... The top submissions is "Obama's Victory Speech". I don't think it's very technological, at least in common sense. Probably the only very true HN existed in 2007…

I feel like the comments are becoming more "reddit" than the submissions themselves. Seems like way more ideological up-voting/down-voting than there used to be ~2yr ago. It seems like on every issue there's a side (varies by issue) you can't criticize unless you water down your comment with weasel words.

Sadly I think that is the by product of a larger issue where in almost all things in life have become victim to this stance of us vs. them. People pretend to want to have civil conversations around opposing views, but the reality is it's more of a "i'll listen to your view as long as you know your view is wrong" type thing instead of honestly being open to having your mind or principle changed with the right information. The other side effect is everything becomes a political point of contention at some point. It's almost like a new take on Godwin's law where not only is there a probability of Nazi's being referenced.. it's simpler that a conversation will become Democrat vs. Republican. .. Though we know that will eventually lead to comparisons of Nazis at some point too.

I don't see this in real life though, it's only on hyper exposed platforms like the news, websites, social media. In person I find most people are actually still pretty civil (though It's largely based on who you associate with).

Don't debate me on my opinion or else it's obvious you're a shill of "insert something here" ;D

Re: Two California hikers found a family's message in a bottle and helped save them

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post #18

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I think this is almost a phenomenon. Europeans have trouble imagining the vastness and untouchedness of American national parks. In Europe almost all hiking trails are close to civilization and well-marked. If you expect the same in America you're in for a surprise.

I don’t think it’s necessarily a Europe thing, it’s just as likely a tourist thing. When you’re a city-dwelling tourist, you don’t know danger and certainly not the local dangers. Dangers at home are considered part of your upbringing, overgeneralized as absolute facts of the world, while dangers elsewhere are unknown and unexpected. I’ve seen the same in Norway; tourists from all over the world getting lost in the m…

Smart observation. Relatedly, I've wandered around dodgy neighborhoods late at night while visiting foreign capitals much more than I'd do in the city where I live.

Re: Two California hikers found a family's message in a bottle and helped save them

#54
post #19

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I just returned from a three week RV trip to some of the national parks out west, including Death Valley. Two of the things I noticed were (1) Europeans outnumbered Americans in the RV parks and (2) Europeans seemed far more inclined to break the national park rules. At one point we were in a guided jeep tour in Canyonlands which is some seriously treacherous driving on cliffside switchbacks. An Escalade sped by us a…

I've been visiting Parks throughout the west for decades and have noticed the same thing. Its a virtual United Nations when you go into the Visitor's Center, gift shop, or restaurant. Personally, I think its great and love to show off what the US has that no other nation does. But, things like abusing the wildlife, putting themselves or others a risk because of stupid (and illegal) behaviors, and generally disrespect…

Well before you pay yourself on the back too much, we have similar issues with American tourists in Europe. Almost like assholes are noticeable everywhere and this is independent of their nationality.

Re: Two California hikers found a family's message in a bottle and helped save them

#55
post #34

the news article left me wanting to know more about the hike, and i discovered this ropewiki article[0] which seems to be related, and link to a more detailed trip report[1]. i'm more of a peakbagger myself, but the photos of the canyons are fascinating (many examples in google images). i'm guessing satellite locator beacons (such as resqlink, spot or in-reach) don't work very well in canyons. you'd need a much more…

We use an in-reach for text messaging at our cabin which is in the bottom of a gulch in the rocky mountains.

It does work, but only when a satellite happens to be in the right position. This basically means you have to queue up a message and it will get sent in 5-50 min.

Re: Two California hikers found a family's message in a bottle and helped save them

#57
post #19

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I just returned from a three week RV trip to some of the national parks out west, including Death Valley. Two of the things I noticed were (1) Europeans outnumbered Americans in the RV parks and (2) Europeans seemed far more inclined to break the national park rules. At one point we were in a guided jeep tour in Canyonlands which is some seriously treacherous driving on cliffside switchbacks. An Escalade sped by us a…

In fairness, Italians have a reputation for driving dangerously when they know the territory, too.

This kind of road is reasonably common in Italy:

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.8513921,11.3773108,3a,75y,24...

I'm not ashamed to admit that it scared the crap out of me, and my wife (who I completely trust) was driving.

Re: Two California hikers found a family's message in a bottle and helped save them

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post #18

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It is a fascinating story and the persistance of the author in trying to find the family is remarkable but its totally different than this story. The Germans were completely unprepared for their adventure without the correct clothing, not enough water, and apparently little or no knowledge of where they were going or where they were. The family in this story were prepared, knew exactly where they were going and where…

I think this is almost a phenomenon. Europeans have trouble imagining the vastness and untouchedness of American national parks. In Europe almost all hiking trails are close to civilization and well-marked. If you expect the same in America you're in for a surprise.

Boy are you in for a surprise if you go by that assumption in parts of Europe.

Re: Two California hikers found a family's message in a bottle and helped save them

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post #2

I really enjoyed this story. However I did struggle on one part: > Whitson, his 13-year-old son and girlfriend, Krystal Ramirez, had decided to spend Father's Day weekend backpacking the Arroyo Seco River. It took me longer to parse this sentence than I should perhaps admit to. The first couple of reads lead me to believe his son and girlfriend were the same person.

Just imagine if he had a daughter instead. I don't know why some linguists are so against the Oxford comma.
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