Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Clarifying ProtonMail and Huawei

protonmail.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

51–60 of 72 posts

Re: Clarifying ProtonMail and Huawei

#51

Post by bgorman »

Barrin92 wrote: post #24
dewey wrote: post #9

Looks like Bloomberg is doing the same as with the "implant" rumors and Supermicro a few months ago. Gruber has a very nice disclaimer at the bottom of posts mentioning Bloomberg now: "Bloomberg, of course, is the publication that published “The Big Hack” last October — a sensational story alleging that data centers of Apple, Amazon, and dozens of other companies were compromised by China’s intelligence services. The…

I'm still completely astonished by how little attention this got and that Bloomberg has never been forced through public pressure to offer a correction. It's bizarre given how large the story was when it first broke.

Bloomberg is based in a country with secret courts and secret gag orders for electronic surveillance (USA). Is is really that surprising that they have been unable to provide evidence regarding major electronic surveillance efforts?

Re: Clarifying ProtonMail and Huawei

#52

Post by clairity »

rshnotsecure wrote: post #40

ProtonMail does not support Yubikeys. I would like to ask all of HN to think seriously about this and what this means. ProtonMail does many things exactly right. This 1 oversight suggests something very very scary going on at the organization. HN does not allow you to delete comments. I would ask that if you think that not having Yubikeys does not require a significant and immediate answer from the ProtonMail team, t…

you're getting no traction with your argument because you're grossly overreaching with it.

not having yubikey support is obviously not "very very scary" since most people (even on hn) don't have yubikeys and we don't run around with our tails between our legs.

many reasons can lead to not supporting yubikey yet, including the simplest, which is that it's lower on the priority list for a resource-constrained organization. or another likely explanation: yubikey has unsolved ux issues that keep it a niche product (for now), so demand simply isn't there.

this seems to be an important issue for you, so if you want to effect change, then you need to come across as well-reasoned, not fud-filled. (edit: and don't let perfect be the enemy of good.)

Re: Clarifying ProtonMail and Huawei

#53

Post by Scarbutt »

humble_engineer wrote: post #46

I was a gmail user a few months ago and I switched my entire life over to protonmail because I didn't want to contribute to Google. I would have to say the most frustrating part of the switch is the somewhat perplexed look I get from people when they ask why I don't have gmail, they have to learn to spell proton, fascinating. I would imagine we will see quite a few hit pieces against protonmail in the coming years, a…

You can give myemail@pm.me instead of myemail@protonmail.com

Re: Clarifying ProtonMail and Huawei

#54

Post by dvdkon »

humble_engineer wrote: post #46

I was a gmail user a few months ago and I switched my entire life over to protonmail because I didn't want to contribute to Google. I would have to say the most frustrating part of the switch is the somewhat perplexed look I get from people when they ask why I don't have gmail, they have to learn to spell proton, fascinating. I would imagine we will see quite a few hit pieces against protonmail in the coming years, a…

Are email addresses on private domains not a thing where you're from?

Re: Clarifying ProtonMail and Huawei

#55

Post by jjtheblunt »

stakhanov wrote: post #19

At the risk of making myself a punching-bag for downvoting, here. Bloomberg is a source that investors and traders trust with getting them some level of access to the rumour mill (in the spirit of the saying that exists among traders that goes "buy the rumour, sell the news"). The problem here is that, fact or fiction, rumours affect the financial markets, and not knowing about them puts a market participant at a dis…

upvote for citing indicative and subjunctive.

Re: Clarifying ProtonMail and Huawei

#56

Post by ColanR »

safeplanet-fesa wrote: post #18
dewey wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a link?

The best way to learn about the incident is to read the discussions first-hand from the Hacker News, for example, by searching "inurl:ycombinator protonvpn tesonet". There is no point in reading any journalistic articles if you can read Proton's responses here, except one article [0] - a compilation of changing Proton's responses and them successively admitting more and more things not in their favor. The compilation…

If protonmail keeps changing their story like that, it seems pretty damning for their credibility.

Re: Clarifying ProtonMail and Huawei

#57

Post by fauigerzigerk »

Scarbutt wrote: post #53
humble_engineer wrote: post #46

I was a gmail user a few months ago and I switched my entire life over to protonmail because I didn't want to contribute to Google. I would have to say the most frustrating part of the switch is the somewhat perplexed look I get from people when they ask why I don't have gmail, they have to learn to spell proton, fascinating. I would imagine we will see quite a few hit pieces against protonmail in the coming years, a…

You can give myemail@pm.me instead of myemail@protonmail.com

Yes, but first you have to activate it in the protonmail settings.

Re: Clarifying ProtonMail and Huawei

#58

Post by humble_engineer »

Scarbutt wrote: post #53
humble_engineer wrote: post #46

I was a gmail user a few months ago and I switched my entire life over to protonmail because I didn't want to contribute to Google. I would have to say the most frustrating part of the switch is the somewhat perplexed look I get from people when they ask why I don't have gmail, they have to learn to spell proton, fascinating. I would imagine we will see quite a few hit pieces against protonmail in the coming years, a…

You can give myemail@pm.me instead of myemail@protonmail.com

Thank you I will do that, after activating it in the settings.

Re: Clarifying ProtonMail and Huawei

#59

Post by protonmail »

ColanR wrote: post #56
safeplanet-fesa wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best way to learn about the incident is to read the discussions first-hand from the Hacker News, for example, by searching "inurl:ycombinator protonvpn tesonet". There is no point in reading any journalistic articles if you can read Proton's responses here, except one article [0] - a compilation of changing Proton's responses and them successively admitting more and more things not in their favor. The compilation…

If protonmail keeps changing their story like that, it seems pretty damning for their credibility.

This particular "story" was also another hit piece from anonymous "sources". We previously responded here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonVPN/comments/8ww4h2/protonvpn...

But you don't have to just take our word on it. ProtonVPN in particularly has been heavily scrutinized, by both Mozilla (who we partnered with) and also the European Commission (which is providing funding): https://protonvpn.com/blog/is-protonvpn-trustworthy/

In other words, there are plenty of non-anonymous, legitimate third party sources, who have checked things out and confirmed the story is bogus.

One main allegation was that Proton shares an address with another company, but it fails to mention that our office in Vilnius is in a 30 story office building with hundreds of other companies: https://www.instagram.com/p/BxMz62oHb6K/

Post reply on HN