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Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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post #47

For me the lack of good support for tree style tab is what made me left firefox

What? This sounds backwards to me. I use Firefox almost exclusively and Tree Style Tab is one of the killer features for me. I tried it in Chrome once but it ran in a separate window and was therefore basically unusable. Has this changed recently?

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

#52

It's the best mobile browser bar none thanks to the uBlock / uMatrix. It makes the web usable again.

But the new Firefox for Android will not support extensions.

The story for extensions in Fenix has not been finalized yet.

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

#53

> While I understand that they have to make money somehow Put a paid Firefox app in Mac, iOS and Windows app stores. Make it clean from integrations and pre-configured for privacy, like no 3rd party cookies, uBlock Origin installed and so on. I'd buy.

Try IceCat. It's a GNU-approved Firefox clone (tracking Firefox codebase continuously), clean from integrations and pre-configured for privacy. It's also free, in both senses!

Thanks! But IceCat is on 60.7 while FF is 68.0 ?

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

#55
I'm voting for Edge. Chromium, but with all the Google shit ripped out, a massive privacy dashboard, responsive developers, popular rendering engine, not ad supported. There's telemetry so Microsoft knotter if it works (which you may not like and I get it) but that's it.

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

#57
> While I understand that they have to make money somehow

I don't. I don't understand how Mozilla has over a thousand employees and over 500 million dollars in annual revenue. With that kind of money, Firefox should be absolutely dominating the browser space. They shouldn't be making Firefox worse with advertising in order to subsidize their flailing around trying to find traction in mobile or VR.

It actually reminds me of Wikipedia, especially with the donation links littered throughout the experience. They're both growing out of control, spending mountains of cash in order to justify spending previous mountains of cash on ventures that nobody asked for or wanted. The whole point of Mozilla is supposed to be Firefox and Thunderbird.

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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post #48
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm experiencing the same issue, and it seems related to uBlock.

I've suspected that, but have never been able to prove it.

When Firefox starts misbehaving like that, disable uBlock and the problem disappears.

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

#59

It’s the non-technical users, who are convinced by their technical relatives to install it, who need to be convinced. Ironically, whenever I've complained about those irritating first-run experiences (not necessarily for Firefox, but for other software), the response has always been "that's for the non-technical users". Remember that these users are accustomed to/desensitised to being bombarded with adverts and such,…

I think it's far more likely that typical non-tech users simply presume all claims about privacy are lies. Every company, including FB and Google claims to value their privacy - as a resource to be wildly over-exploited.

As it tried to become more Chrome like I can't help but feel they shot themselves in the foot for no gain. Several of the friends/relatives I once successfully moved to FF, way back when, ended up back on chrome for variations on "because it's the same now". Yet anyone criticising Australis and UI changes at the time was instantly drowned out.

Me, I still resent the long ago burying of the Phoenix 0.2 idea of being lean, fast and light, and everything not core to being a browser should be in an addon. e.g. Pocket, WebRTC, Sync.

Re: Firefox has lots of room to improve if it wants to beat Chrome

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post #7

I feel there's an opening for mobile experience on Android. Chrome is pretty terrible in that space. No extensions, no reader mode, no eacape from AMP, etc.

I think kiwi browser(1) is great in this regard. It supports almost all the chrome extensions including ublock, reader mode, etc.

It also has a mode which automatically redirects to non-AMP version of site automatically.

(1) https://www.google.com/search?q=kiwi+browser+android

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