EU governments choose independence from US cloud providers with Nextcloud • Hacker News Board

Re: EU governments choose independence from US cloud providers with Nextcloud

#51

Post by Doxin » Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 11:55 AM UTC

Eric_WVGG wrote: post #36

choward wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At this point, my only criticisms are that I think the installation should be more idiot-friendly, and the UI smells of 2012. I agree about the installation but what's a good solution? If you're self-hosting something (at home) there are two main problems you need to solve. You need to be able to access it from the internet and you need a backup strategy. I would argue that an install isn't complete unless you have…

I guess the fact that 80% of the installation is as good as it is makes me frustrated about the last 20%. One example: the install expects that the data drive will be on a 1-2gb USB attached storage drive; the Odroid uses SATA, 6tb drives are very commonplace, and the process for formatting 4gb is apparently completely different in Linux? To reiterate, the installer is really good, but someone stopped just short of m…

> the process for formatting 4gb is apparently completely different in Linux?

It's different for any OS. A good tool hides that from the user, but it's as true for Windows as it is for Linux.

Re: EU governments choose independence from US cloud providers with Nextcloud

#52

Post by jancborchardt » Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 10:38 PM UTC

Eric_WVGG wrote: post #7

The recent changes to Dropbox incited me to finally build a home NAS/personal-cloud server based on Nextcloud last month. My first impressions were a bit negative, as I was expecting "open source Dropbox" and nothing more; Nextcloud actually does quite a lot, which made me think it was bloatware. This is due to my ignorance and jumping in too fast. What Nextcloud actually is: a personal Dropbox-style server, with ope…

> At this point, my only criticisms are that I think the installation should be more idiot-friendly, and the UI smells of 2012.

One of the Nextcloud designers here – thank you for the honest feedback! :)

Could you share some more details on these two things specifically? - Where did you have issues with the installation? On the website, download, permissions, install page, etc.? - Which parts of the UI you see as outdated? Is it the web interface, specific apps, the desktop client, the mobile apps, all of it? Any specific things which seem off to you and we should focus on?

We continuously work on improving the design of course. As it is we are not so many designers, as unfortunately the problem is in open source. Also we’ve been working on many things in parallel like accessibility, standardization, the new Vue components, and of course our breadth of apps, etc.

So thanks for bringing this up! We’ll do better.

Re: EU governments choose independence from US cloud providers with Nextcloud

#53

Post by jospoortvliet » Mon, Sep 02, 2019, 5:06 AM UTC

jospoortvliet wrote: post #45

nominated1 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those quotes read like typical PR statements made by politicians. I was hoping for a bit more. I can’t find it now but it wasn’t long ago that the NextCloud (or was it OwnCloud) FAQ had a note about security that read something like “we’re busy adding features we’ll get to security later”. It left me feeling uneasy. I would have hoped security would have been part of the design. Maybe I’m just getting old...

Things have changed a fair bit since the early ownCloud days - you'll be hard pressed to find a large PHP app with so few security issues, and that's not me saying that but quoting a pentest firm hired by the Swiss city of Geneva which audited Nextcloud recently. See https://nextcloud.com/secure - thoughts are, of course, always welcome.

Actually, we already quoted them in an earlier blog: https://nextcloud.com/blog/a-wave-of-cities-all-over-europe-...

;-)