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Re: No More Cheap Shipping for Chinese Sellers

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bad for the environment as well for trans-pacific shipping to be cheaper

Aren't ocean vessels one of the most efficient forms of transportation in existence?

Only compared to alternative forms of transportation for the same distance, like airplane.

Still, shorter is better.

Re: No More Cheap Shipping for Chinese Sellers

#52
post #25
post #11

What would be the concession from the Chinese? Or do they up the ante and impose more tariffs on incoming U.S. goods? Is this something that the Hacker News community actually supports Trump on? More curious than anything - you just don't see a lot of support for any of his initiatives here. ? Why all the downvotes?

The resolution should be restoration of reciprocity, like having China Post insist on commercial shippers having customs clearance arranged. Other trade war elements like getting out of TPP and bellicosity in general have cost vastly more than the value of stopping drop-shipping Chinese eBay sellers, which is negligible in US China trade.

The US withdrawing from TPP directly resulted in a vastly-improved treaty. The problem is that the US didn't sign up to the new version.

Re: No More Cheap Shipping for Chinese Sellers

#53
post #23

Can someone shed light on the subsidy structure behing the current model, are shipments from China being subsidized by shipments from other countries or is there government money involved ? In any case this kind of subsidy is not necessarily bad for developing countries, and it was probably instrumental in China's phenomenal economic growth, but it is now in the conquering superpower category, it's time it loses this…

> it was probably instrumental in China's phenomenal economic growth

Yes, it was subsidized postal shipping by the kind overlord USA that allowed china to become a "conquering superpower", without it Xi would still be in the paddy field.

Re: No More Cheap Shipping for Chinese Sellers

#54
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bad for the environment as well for trans-pacific shipping to be cheaper

Aren't ocean vessels one of the most efficient forms of transportation in existence?

Most efficient price/volume wise, and dirtiest, environment wise

Re: No More Cheap Shipping for Chinese Sellers

#55

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I support this, and I'm a rabid leftist. Things should cost what they cost. The only time government should interfere with pricing is to force companies to price in externalities.

That does not sound like a rabid leftist? - You don't want rent control? - I guess whatever non-Pigouvian portion of tax/subsidy is also out of bounds?

Handing people money to pay for rent would be an equally leftist alternative to setting prices, you can be a leftist without being authoritarian.

Re: No More Cheap Shipping for Chinese Sellers

#56

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> What would be the concession from the Chinese? What concession? It's a clear market distortion that shipping rates across such distances are so ridiculously low. I'm not sure why anybody is supporting them. This isn't about Trump or not Trump, and always putting these issues in these terms is incredibly distracting from what's actually important. (And I say this as somebody who absolutely despises Trump.)

>What concession? It's a clear market distortion that shipping rates across such distances are so ridiculously low. I'm not sure why anybody is supporting them. Come on, everyone supports ridiculously low costs on anything.

You can't just mandate low costs by fiat. That's why it causes market distortion.

You could also say mandate that say breakfast at a hotel should cost no more than $1. You'd get that, but you'd also pay for it via rising hotel prices that would need to subsidize that benefit some enjoy with a higher room fee that everyone would pay for.

In this case lower shipping rates for some are subsidized with higher shipping rates for others, or in some other countries with the same problem corresponding state subsidies for the postal service paid for out of the general state budget.

Re: No More Cheap Shipping for Chinese Sellers

#60
post #10

Having bought a couple drop-shipped goods from China, I, for one, won't miss it. The most noticeable effect I have seen is scammy listings on eBay and Amazon, unresponsive sellers, and unreliable delivery time. I have not seen any arguments of the form "but the price of X will go way up."

This could still be a problem if those sellers move to Fulfillment By Amazon. My understanding (and I'd like to be corrected if I'm wrong) is that Amazon's current policy is to commingle products with the same SKU from different sellers, so it will become even more likely to pay for the original and get the knockoff.
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