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Re: Google OAuth Is Failing with 500 Error Code

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Post by Animats » Tue, Aug 20, 2019, 6:23 AM UTC

IAmGraydon wrote: post #50

Animats wrote: post #35

When you use Google OAuth, you give Google the power to turn you off. Think about it.

Unless you own the complete path from server to user (and no one does) there is always someone who can “turn you off”.

Remember when you could route around failures? Have connections to two different backbone providers? Does anyone still do that?

Re: Google OAuth Is Failing with 500 Error Code

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Post by londons_explore » Tue, Aug 20, 2019, 7:34 AM UTC

lbatx wrote: post #42

bena wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Temporarily build a data center? Temporarily shut down other people's services to favor their own?

I guess you're not familiar with how cloud services work. There's (generally) plenty of excess capacity.

Within Google, there is plenty of wasted capacity, but getting capacity for a service to scale up is a fiendishly difficult task. They even employ hundreds of people whose main role is to try to allocate all the various types of resources to teams. "Oh - you want 1700 GB of bigtable in Reliability zone 3 in Atlanta? I'm afraid your department doesn't own any there - you can trade with the ads department who aren't using theirs, if you give them 2Tbits of network bandwidth between Peru and Brazil? That trade will only be till the end of the quarter though, because then they need it back."

Re: Google OAuth Is Failing with 500 Error Code

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Post by londons_explore » Tue, Aug 20, 2019, 7:38 AM UTC

vorpalhex wrote: post #47

bena wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the (generally) that's the issue here, now isn't it?

I didn't see any notifications that GCP was out of capacity. Did I miss one?

Gcp capacity and capacity for Google services is fairly isolated. They never coexist on the same racks

Re: Google OAuth Is Failing with 500 Error Code

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Post by eecsninja » Wed, Aug 21, 2019, 5:47 PM UTC

Googler not on Cloud team, but using Google Cloud Platform for an internal project. I've encountered my share of bugs and other flaws while using this platform. I think all these platforms are just too damn complex and brittle. It's easy for even a smart SWE or SRE to overlook one little thing that will bring down a bigger part of system.

Re: Google OAuth Is Failing with 500 Error Code

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Post by DannyBee » Wed, Aug 21, 2019, 7:36 PM UTC

swedish_mafia wrote: post #39

DannyBee wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad you have a good handle on the data about the predictive power Google interviews have about the individuals. Can you share the data?

I have a good handle on how the customer base for cloud computing services perceives cloud vendors and aws is way ahead of everyone else by a mile. This is because they have a far better and complete platform, and it appears to be better engineered too with fewer of the downtime incidents we’ve been seeing at the other vendors. Why do you suspect this is? Let me tell you. Amazon had better people. Full stop.

That's a whole lot of words to say "no"

Re: Google OAuth Is Failing with 500 Error Code

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Post by DannyBee » Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 4:09 PM UTC

randomgoog wrote: post #41

DannyBee wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad you have a good handle on the data about the predictive power Google interviews have about the individuals. Can you share the data?

It’s random. You might as well read chicken entrails; at least then there’d be less racial and gender bias in the process.

This would also require killing a lot of chickens, which feels less pleasant.

Re: Google OAuth Is Failing with 500 Error Code

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Post by School-Cotton » Sat, Aug 24, 2019, 7:10 PM UTC

IAmGraydon wrote: post #49

jdm2212 wrote: post #13

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Also, summer interns. A friend who worked at FB said outages there go up markedly when interns start pushing to prod.

You really think interns are allowed to push code to production at FB?

I worked at FB for four years, and they are in fact allowed to do so.