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The Menace of Eco-Fascism (2018)

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Re: The Menace of Eco-Fascism (2018)

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Post by Taniwha »

jgmjgm wrote: post #39
Taniwha wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe "average" was the wrong word, perhaps "unremarkable" is a better one. Before Trump the US was proud to describe itself as a nation of immigrants (I was one for 20 years) but Americans have this myth that they take in far more immigrants than anywhere else, it's just not true

Well it does a pretty remarkable job. Recall too that the stats are foreign born as a percentage of the population (Peri, 2016 that I mentioned above). The USA is larger than all Canada, Australia, UK and NZ combined. So, let's not pretend that the US is not taking new comers at all. We're still in the ballpark of close to 50 million people. This compares to about 7 million in Canada.

I think that percentage gives a reasonable job of looking at the impact that immigrants have on the existing system - NZ takes in far fewer immigrants than the US, but compared with their population they're taking more and would be expected to have a larger impact on society (NZ has lower taxes that the US)

Re: The Menace of Eco-Fascism (2018)

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Post by Taniwha »

southerntofu wrote: post #46
Taniwha wrote: post #14

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For New Zealand it's 25%, Australia 22%, the UK 14%, France 9%, Germany 12%, Canada 22%, the Netherlands 19% Frankly 15% is about average for Western Countries

> France 9% These numbers don't reflect the complex reality in France. Most of the population descends from immigration (although only 9% directly from their parents). It's very rare especially in big cities to meet people with only "French" origins (except in the bourgeoisie). And even those "French" origins are ethnically/culturally varied (bretagne/ch'nord/occitanie/martinique/corse...) even though many people fro…

In the US everyone except for the native Americans are descended from immigrants .... something in the range of 99% - here in NZ it's more like 80%

Re: The Menace of Eco-Fascism (2018)

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Post by dang »

southerntofu wrote: post #45
deogeo wrote: post #2

> The sheer novelty of Dooley’s existence has proven irresistible to journalists—netting her gawking profiles in The New Yorker, Harper’s, and on National Public Radio—but that coverage has tended to obscure her extremism. Alongside advocating for sustainable energy, Dooley’s other pet issues are opposing amnesty for undocumented immigrants and increasing border security. Enforcing current immigration law, which woul…

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Please don't take HN threads further into ideological flamewar. That just leads to predictable, tedious...flamewars.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The Menace of Eco-Fascism (2018)

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Post by southerntofu »

deogeo wrote: post #50
southerntofu wrote: post #45

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> Giving everyone equal rights and opportunities is a supposedly founding principle of your "democracy". It's not 'my' democracy - I and my ancestors remained in Europe. And lets not engage in revisionist history - that founding principle was explicitly limited to "free White persons of good character" [1]. While the at once ineffective and cruel manner the US enforces its borders leaves much to be desired, that does…

Glad we agree on some points. Also your reply does not sound harsh to me but rather like healthy skepticism.

> if the US was incredibly restrictive with immigration

This is the case! Take a look at ICE raids on workplaces/housing. Look at police and fascist militias preventing migrants passing the southern border from getting help (eg. destroying survival necessities such as water buckets left by humanitarian non-profits). Look at the for-profit business of locking up people (the prison industrial complex) making shit-tons of money on migrant retention centers.

I mean if millions of people are demanding now to #AbolishICE, it's precisely because the US has a very harsh policy against immigrants.

> But if this is comparable to ethnic cleansing, then what does that make almost all other countries? Some sort of ultra-nazis?

Did i say the US government was currently doing ethnic cleansing on its own soil? Sorry that was not my intention. There's plenty subtler ways to destroy people's lives than outright genocide.

Re: The Menace of Eco-Fascism (2018)

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Post by rurban »

They were missing another prominent case: Jörg Urban, now the AFD leader in Sachsen, who was a former Green League party leader. I guess you can call that an eco-fascist party, but I'm not an expert. You may call him a Neonazi officially though. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B6rg_Urban

Re: The Menace of Eco-Fascism (2018)

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Post by deogeo »

southerntofu wrote: post #54
deogeo wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Giving everyone equal rights and opportunities is a supposedly founding principle of your "democracy". It's not 'my' democracy - I and my ancestors remained in Europe. And lets not engage in revisionist history - that founding principle was explicitly limited to "free White persons of good character" [1]. While the at once ineffective and cruel manner the US enforces its borders leaves much to be desired, that does…

Glad we agree on some points. Also your reply does not sound harsh to me but rather like healthy skepticism. > if the US was incredibly restrictive with immigration This is the case! Take a look at ICE raids on workplaces/housing. Look at police and fascist militias preventing migrants passing the southern border from getting help (eg. destroying survival necessities such as water buckets left by humanitarian non-pro…

I chose the word carefully - the US is definitely, as you say, very cruel with immigration enforcement (due to all the reasons you pointed out), but it is not restrictive, due to the large legal immigration.

For example, if they allowed everyone in the world to immigrate, except for 10 guys, but they enforced the border using flamethrowers against those 10 guys, then they would be cruel, but not restrictive.

As for implying that you said the US was engaged in anything similar to genocide, that was not my intention either, sorry. The sentiment was more that, if you were to compare the US to Nazi Germany, then almost every other country would compare even closer (on the topic of immigration, at least).

Re: The Menace of Eco-Fascism (2018)

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Post by A2017U1 »

culturestate wrote: post #28
A2017U1 wrote: post #24

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Japan is actually getting quite friendly lately, as a full-time remote worker have been investigating moving there for a while.

The Japanese government is opening up, but it's gonna take some time for Japanese society to do the same. I can tell you from experience that integrating as a foreigner in Japan is...challenging.

Eh, such generalizations, I've lived and worked in very racist homogenous societies for years and still never struggled to find local friends.

There's always cool folks to befriend, unless the insinuation here is no foreigner should move to Japan until a hundred million people change their ways?

My opinion is _we_ all should change, and waiting for that to happen may take a while.

Re: The Menace of Eco-Fascism (2018)

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Post by jesssse »

deevolution wrote: post #49
jesssse wrote: post #26

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Cows are happier being farmed than not being.

As a human maximalist, I could care less about what those cows think. The problem we face as a society is that too many of us are cow maximalist to the point we're prioritizing these cows lives over our own. Buying that cheese burger at McDonalds is a vote for more cows which has far more negative externalities than eating veggies.

Cow meat makes me strong. Veggies makes me poop.
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