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Drones will fly for days with new photovoltaic engine

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Re: Drones will fly for days with new photovoltaic engine

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That would be amazing to get rid of the traditional boiling water part of nuclear power plants. Is this what you are thinking about?

Yes, and especially for my pet daydream nuclear reactor in space, or on Mars, etc.

Too bad, solar cell don't like much radiation. Add shielding and all mass benefit will be negated.

Re: Drones will fly for days with new photovoltaic engine

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I wonder if it is feasible to make PV panels that concentrate the IR part of the light spectrum and guide it to a TVP unit through fiber optics.

I don't see why you'd need fibre optics for that. Mirrors would work just fine, as in a concentrated solar plant.

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People seem to be misinterpreting this a lot. This is not about solar cells. This is about thermophotovoltalics, and the application here is using a burning fuel source to generate electricity. The "drone" the paper talks about seems to be a reference to another paper on unmanned sea vehicles though. Edit - to be fair the flying drone part is from the corresponding author.

Exactly. The paper is here: https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2019/07/15/1903001116 The context of thermophotovoltalics is very interesting - conventional heat-to-electricity engines are limited by Carnot efficiency, which relies on a "cold side" and generally has low theoretical maximum efficiencies. This approach takes any hot emitter heated by any process - fuel burning, solar concentration, nuclear - and extract…

So (one of) the advantages compared to a Peltier element is that you no longer need a cold side?

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. The paper is here: https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2019/07/15/1903001116 The context of thermophotovoltalics is very interesting - conventional heat-to-electricity engines are limited by Carnot efficiency, which relies on a "cold side" and generally has low theoretical maximum efficiencies. This approach takes any hot emitter heated by any process - fuel burning, solar concentration, nuclear - and extract…

So (one of) the advantages compared to a Peltier element is that you no longer need a cold side?

You still need to keep the thermophotovoltaic cells cool, it doesn't violate thermodynamics (energy can only be extracted from a temperature differential).

Re: Drones will fly for days with new photovoltaic engine

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and especially for my pet daydream nuclear reactor in space, or on Mars, etc.

Too bad, solar cell don't like much radiation. Add shielding and all mass benefit will be negated.

What about collecting the "waste" IR emissions from the heated water vapor?

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"For the past 15 years, the efficiency of converting heat into electricity with thermovoltaics has been stalled at 23 percent. But a groundbreaking physical insight has allowed researchers to raise this efficiency to 29 percent. Using a novel design, the researchers are now aiming to reach 50 percent efficiency in the near future by applying well-established scientific concepts."

^interesting part, the drone stuff is just click-bait

Re: Drones will fly for days with new photovoltaic engine

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I was unclear how this differed from what I would traditionally consider as solar power (photovoltaic power) as I had never heard of thermophotovoltaic power. After a quick search I found the following helpful:

“The basic principle [of thermophotovoltaics] is similar to that of traditional photovoltaics (PV) where a p-n junction is used to absorb optical energy, generate and separate electron/hole pairs, and in doing so convert that energy into electricity. The difference is that the optical energy is not directly generated by the Sun, but instead by a material at high temperature (termed the emitter), that causes it to emit light. In this way thermal energy is converted to electrical energy.” [1]

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermophotovoltaic

Re: Drones will fly for days with new photovoltaic engine

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"Fly for Days", Wondering what are the trade-offs here? Can those drones carry a load or cover certain distances to be of any functional use.

Surveillance, spying, communications. Such drones could encroach a lot into roles currently assigned to satellites.

Re: Drones will fly for days with new photovoltaic engine

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. The paper is here: https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2019/07/15/1903001116 The context of thermophotovoltalics is very interesting - conventional heat-to-electricity engines are limited by Carnot efficiency, which relies on a "cold side" and generally has low theoretical maximum efficiencies. This approach takes any hot emitter heated by any process - fuel burning, solar concentration, nuclear - and extract…

So (one of) the advantages compared to a Peltier element is that you no longer need a cold side?

While it looks like you still do, the other advantage is that these are far more efficient than Peltier devices, which tend to be single-digit percentage efficiency.
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