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Re: Anxiety nightmare comes true for pianist at competition

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This is intense, and I don't listen to classical music regularly.

Classical music is supposed to be intense, albeit not necessarily in the "techno" sort of way. You really ought to play it fairly loudly (obviously not to the ear-damaging levels), and the recording needs to have a lot of dynamic range on it to capture it correctly. Classical music played and recorded correctly will use some intensity cues rarely used by modern music like dynamic range. Where I think it tends to fall…

Great comment!

> Classical music played and recorded correctly will use some intensity cues rarely used by modern music like dynamic range.

A little context here. People sometimes make value judgements that classic music (or recordings of) is "better" because it uses a greater dynamic range.

The reason popular music uses less dynamic range is because we listen to it in noisier environments. Classical music is intended to be listened to in quiet rooms with a lower noise floor. There, even when the music gets very quiet, you can still hear it. Popular music is designed to be enjoyable in a car, at a party, while banging pots and pans and cooking dinner, through earbuds on the subway. In those environments, if the song gets quiet, it gets completely drowned out by the ambient noise. So producers compress the dynamic range by making the quiet parts louder. That way you can always hear it.

But, if you push the low dynamics up above the noise floor, by definition, you have reduced the dynamic range.

> is that it mostly dates from a pre-recording period, so it tends to draw out all of its ideas because it expects the listener can't just rewind and listen to the last few minutes again

I think the other half of this is that when you rely on the brains of human performers as your storage device, repetition becomes a lot more valuable. It's much easier for a group of performers to play an hour of music if that's six ten-minute repetitive pieces than if it's twelve distinct five-minute works, each with its own melodies, motifs, etc. The former just compresses into less data in the brain.

> modern trance artists know the modern music playback setups and handle it differently, even if I couldn't exactly describe it.

A big part of how dance music "works" is that it uses a lot of timbral variation throughout a song. So even though it may be the same melody you heard earlier, the sound itself will be different. Classical music does this by changing dynamics and rhythm. But, to be danceable, those need to be fixed. So, instead, dance music changes the tone itself, which is easy to do since the sounds are synthesized. This is why you have all of these filter sweeps, LFOs, etc. going on.

Re: Anxiety nightmare comes true for pianist at competition

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I agree with a lot of this, but I can't let the comment that chamber music is "designed to be flat and unobtrusive" stand. Of course there is a lot of boring chamber music, as there is of any kind of music. But chamber music is vast and contains some of the purest and most passionate music ever written. A very few examples of some great chamber music (I've linked to some fun parts): Beethoven String Quartet #10 (The…

Frequent player of chamber music here. By dissing chamber music in that way, GP was falling prey to an unfortunate Hollywood stereotype that usually involves rich people and this piece of music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSV8NnA3B74 But what about this one, also by Mozart, also performed by the Hagen Quartet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBMpD5ldrWU So Mozart had a lot of emotional range, even in a period wh…

(I guess we've hit the depth limit so I'll reply to my own comment.)

It's a loose collective called Classical Revolution, plays 1st & 3rd & 5th Mondays, been going since 2006. I'm only there occasionally these days; I might show up August 19. Starts at "8:30", often actually later, goes till 11:30.

The evening typically starts with a group that actually rehearsed and then devolves rapidly into the closest thing you can have to a jam session when you're playing notes off a page. Whoever shows up decides what to play on the fly from our collective piles of sheet music. It's a risky format—some nights are great, some less so. :)

Re: Anxiety nightmare comes true for pianist at competition

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Frequent player of chamber music here. By dissing chamber music in that way, GP was falling prey to an unfortunate Hollywood stereotype that usually involves rich people and this piece of music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSV8NnA3B74 But what about this one, also by Mozart, also performed by the Hagen Quartet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBMpD5ldrWU So Mozart had a lot of emotional range, even in a period wh…

Can you tell me when you'll be playing at Revolution Cafe or the name of your group?

(Oh, I guess there's a delay on being able to reply? See above.)

Re: Anxiety nightmare comes true for pianist at competition

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Frequent player of chamber music here. By dissing chamber music in that way, GP was falling prey to an unfortunate Hollywood stereotype that usually involves rich people and this piece of music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSV8NnA3B74 But what about this one, also by Mozart, also performed by the Hagen Quartet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBMpD5ldrWU So Mozart had a lot of emotional range, even in a period wh…

(I guess we've hit the depth limit so I'll reply to my own comment.) It's a loose collective called Classical Revolution, plays 1st & 3rd & 5th Mondays, been going since 2006. I'm only there occasionally these days; I might show up August 19. Starts at "8:30", often actually later, goes till 11:30. The evening typically starts with a group that actually rehearsed and then devolves rapidly into the closest thing you c…

Nice, I'll try to come by on August 19.

Re: Anxiety nightmare comes true for pianist at competition

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The classical example of expecting another piece is when Maria Joao Pires performed in Amsterdam and only during the orchestra introduction figured out her mistake. See her reaction on Youtube [1]. As opposed to the article above, she hadn't performed this piece in over a year. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS64pb0XnbI

My favorite non-classical example would be this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kpxA-TOLmA

The funny thing is that the band just continues playing, but that's probably because it's recorded and they don't want to look like fakers.

Re: Anxiety nightmare comes true for pianist at competition

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I was on the drill team in ROTC and in the middle of one of our maneuvers where we needed to make some adjustments to the rifle strap, my buddy’s just completely fell to the ground in about 3-4 pieces. It made a huge clatter. He stood there stone faced and unmoving, at attention while the rest of the platoon finished the maneuver. The judges, three intense USMC gunnery sergeants, just stared at my friend. When the re…

But this is surely not the optimal behavior during a battle, right?

Re: Anxiety nightmare comes true for pianist at competition

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I was on the drill team in ROTC and in the middle of one of our maneuvers where we needed to make some adjustments to the rifle strap, my buddy’s just completely fell to the ground in about 3-4 pieces. It made a huge clatter. He stood there stone faced and unmoving, at attention while the rest of the platoon finished the maneuver. The judges, three intense USMC gunnery sergeants, just stared at my friend. When the re…

I was in a pretty competitive high school marching band. We had two parallel lines moving in opposite directions, and I watched the slide of a trombone get its spit valve caught on someones shoulder strap and pulled off. The trombone player kept on making the motions as if the slide was still there, and the other marcher-with-trombone-slide-still-attached continued on until the end of the show. Fortunately we were in the last movement, but the point is that the show must go on.

Re: Anxiety nightmare comes true for pianist at competition

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post #56

I was on the drill team in ROTC and in the middle of one of our maneuvers where we needed to make some adjustments to the rifle strap, my buddy’s just completely fell to the ground in about 3-4 pieces. It made a huge clatter. He stood there stone faced and unmoving, at attention while the rest of the platoon finished the maneuver. The judges, three intense USMC gunnery sergeants, just stared at my friend. When the re…

But this is surely not the optimal behavior during a battle, right?

The skills practiced in a drill competition and battle are not really the same (though related, calm under fire, preciseness, etc)

Re: Anxiety nightmare comes true for pianist at competition

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I was on the drill team in ROTC and in the middle of one of our maneuvers where we needed to make some adjustments to the rifle strap, my buddy’s just completely fell to the ground in about 3-4 pieces. It made a huge clatter. He stood there stone faced and unmoving, at attention while the rest of the platoon finished the maneuver. The judges, three intense USMC gunnery sergeants, just stared at my friend. When the re…

I was in a pretty competitive high school marching band. We had two parallel lines moving in opposite directions, and I watched the slide of a trombone get its spit valve caught on someones shoulder strap and pulled off. The trombone player kept on making the motions as if the slide was still there, and the other marcher-with-trombone-slide-still-attached continued on until the end of the show. Fortunately we were in…

As my middle school band director once said, "Even if I let go of my baton and it stabs someone through the eye, you must keep playing!"

Re: Anxiety nightmare comes true for pianist at competition

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post #56

I was on the drill team in ROTC and in the middle of one of our maneuvers where we needed to make some adjustments to the rifle strap, my buddy’s just completely fell to the ground in about 3-4 pieces. It made a huge clatter. He stood there stone faced and unmoving, at attention while the rest of the platoon finished the maneuver. The judges, three intense USMC gunnery sergeants, just stared at my friend. When the re…

But this is surely not the optimal behavior during a battle, right?

Going stone-faced and leaving your rifle, no of course not. But, maintaining military bearing under pressure, absolutely imperative.
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