Hopefully this creates a lot of wealth and amazing businesses in Brazil. Why should they not be able to use their land to make profit?
Keep up.
Amazon deforestation accelerating to unrecoverable 'tipping point'
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Re: Amazon deforestation accelerating to unrecoverable 'tipping point'
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
The only real solution will be for wealthy nations paying Brazil to not exploit their natural resources, which seems like a very very high ask for all parties involved. Otherwise we'll see the continued destruction for at least another 30-40 years until there's a global demographic peak. We're also going to see the destruction of the Canadian Boreal forest as temperatures rise makes such land viable for industrial fa…
You can donate to charities that directly purchase rainforest. Rainforesttrust.org is one. They can purchase an acre of land for around 10 dollars. Right now the main issue is that last year they only received 15 million in donations. Not nearly enough to stop the problem.
The article says that people are illegally clearing land they don’t own.
Re: Amazon deforestation accelerating to unrecoverable 'tipping point'
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Stop eating meat could be one of answers.
So is "stop having more than 2 children". Another one is "stop buying things you don't really need". But yeah, good luck convincing people to get behind that.
So are "driving without seat belts", "buying a house in a flood plane without insurance", "smoking tobacco".
All 3 have been curbed quite dramatically with a combination of regulation, graduated penalties and education. Yes there are gaps in enforcement, and these behaviors haven't been completely eradicated of course -- but dramatically curbed, nonetheless.
There's no reason the same can't happen with the current (wildly excessive) habit of read meat consumption.
Re: Amazon deforestation accelerating to unrecoverable 'tipping point'
#54There needs to be a new international law that classifies nations who deliberately destroy nature as "at war". The idea is simple: Wrecking your local environment is not a local action. It affects the entire planet and should be seen tantamount to war. This will likely pretty much put a lot of nations into the war section... Then negotiations can continue from there.
While military action is not feasible and in this case counterproductive, aggressive sanctions might help. Sanctioning these nations back into stone age if they don't change their course...
Right now, there is no accepted means to stop this from happening.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
As mentioned above, https://www.rainforesttrust.org/ seems to be a good one.
Cool, just donated some benjamins - https://imgur.com/a/ZOuZMXA
Thank you! I wish some conscious billionaires got together and bought up as much land as possible and titled it the local indigenous populations. Why is this not a thing yet?
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#56It feels like we've reached the end of the old land ownership model. If you were destroying something on your land that supplied my breathable air, I would have no choice but to stop you, even though I recognize your right to the land.
Re: Amazon deforestation accelerating to unrecoverable 'tipping point'
#57It feels like we've reached the end of the old land ownership model. If you were destroying something on your land that supplied my breathable air, I would have no choice but to stop you, even though I recognize your right to the land.
That's called a third party negative externality. Even libertarians are fine with state intervention.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
So is "stop having more than 2 children". Another one is "stop buying things you don't really need". But yeah, good luck convincing people to get behind that.
It's also going to make those you convince of this less genetically fit than those who ignore the advice. So the people who choose to have ten kids are going to be more represented in the population a hundred years from now.
Arguments like this are insane because complex behavior like lifestyle choice is not 100% (or probably even 50%) genetic. It’s like saying that the only way to have more people coding is for coders to have kids. Complete bullshit.
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Cattle ranching in the Amazon is the main responsible for deforestation, responsible for about 65% of the land deforested. So a simple economic solution to the problem is to stop buying so much beef and the deforestation would reduce drastically. Why would they continue to chop the forest down if they have no economic incentive to do so? The excessive consumption of animal products in the west is the main reason why…
What incentive mechanism are you proposing? (Real question, not rhetorical) Generally, when people ask for an economic solution, they’re looking for a proposal to change behavioral incentives, rather than proclamation of the desirability of someone’s pet cause (as noble as it may be).
High tariffs on Brazilian beef are an idea.
Re: Amazon deforestation accelerating to unrecoverable 'tipping point'
#60It feels like we've reached the end of the old land ownership model. If you were destroying something on your land that supplied my breathable air, I would have no choice but to stop you, even though I recognize your right to the land.
That's called a third party negative externality. Even libertarians are fine with state intervention.
But what if a state is causing the negative externality and the third party is all other states?
(Thanks btw, I hadn't come across that term.)