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Man Who Built the Retweet: “We Handed a Loaded Weapon to 4-Year-Olds”

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Re: Man Who Built the Retweet: “We Handed a Loaded Weapon to 4-Year-Olds”

#51

Hyperbole. Social media is not broken. The retweet is not why. And this guy didn't invent the idea of republishing content. Other microblog services had that, and I'm pretty sure Twitter users were doing it on their own.

It dropped the barrier to republishing to nearly zero, to where impulse becomes the driver.

Re: Man Who Built the Retweet: “We Handed a Loaded Weapon to 4-Year-Olds”

#52
post #39

It's so annoying when platforms and product managers think they know better than their users. People want to retweet and they will even if you remove this feature (as they were before it existed). It basically comes off as Twitter doesn't like the users they have or the behavior they want. It's really hilarious that they use Gamergate as an example of why retweets are bad. That was a massive manifestation of the abov…

Gamergate was a harassment movement aimed at women in videogames that had some very smart people thinking of justifications and excuses to protect it in public.

That's conflating the actions of trolls with people that were critical of activists. Those are not at all the same thing. The former is NOT ok, the latter is ok and should result in healthy debate.

But because Twitter doesn't like nuance, those get collapsed into a single, simple and most outrage-inducing format. A black & white hero/villain narrative. Which also avoids having to deal with any critiques, regardless of validity.

Re: Man Who Built the Retweet: “We Handed a Loaded Weapon to 4-Year-Olds”

#53
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is that lowering friction to perform an action has caused an exponential increase in its usage... and it’s so associated with cognitive bias and impulsive thinking that it’s allowed a lot of false information to spread quickly. I say let people go back to the manual RT

Was there really that big of a different between “via @user” and “RT” and the retweet button?

Taking something that required thought and typing and turning it into a one-click, no-thought-required operation? Absolutely.

Jeff Bezos certainly thinks so -- why else would he have bothered patenting one-click buying?

Re: Man Who Built the Retweet: “We Handed a Loaded Weapon to 4-Year-Olds”

#54

So tired of these "OMG What Did I Create?" stories from social media devs. How about you grow a conscience _before_ you build these things? I have told managers to go f themselves for: Content that would demean people Lying to or misleading customers *Hosing over my fellow engineers ... among other things I don't think it's that special of a thing to do but reading these things makes it seem like it is.

I would just like to understand the mental process that evolves a conscience from "This is probably fine" to "That’s what I think we actually did [just handed a 4-year-old a loaded weapon]". In my moral calculus giving a 4-year-old a loaded weapon is pretty damn distinct from implementing a social media button for teens and older which among its negative aspects facilitates cyber bullying or other negative social behavior. With people equating the two it's probably not even that facetious to write a cliche that goes like "first they came for my retweet button, then they came for my 2nd amendment". (Edit: I did think of one mental process that's not just the easy "say whatever in front of the media" reason, but I don't think the guy is making a more interesting consequentialist dust-specks vs. torture type of claim.)

Re: Man Who Built the Retweet: “We Handed a Loaded Weapon to 4-Year-Olds”

#55

So tired of these "OMG What Did I Create?" stories from social media devs. How about you grow a conscience _before_ you build these things? I have told managers to go f themselves for: Content that would demean people Lying to or misleading customers *Hosing over my fellow engineers ... among other things I don't think it's that special of a thing to do but reading these things makes it seem like it is.

How could you have known in 2009 how the dynamics of twitter would evolve over the next decade? There's no way. I've used twitter since 2008 and if you told me then that 7 years later that the US presidents would be using it as their primary communication platform with the public I wouldn't believe you.

Re: Man Who Built the Retweet: “We Handed a Loaded Weapon to 4-Year-Olds”

#56
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is that lowering friction to perform an action has caused an exponential increase in its usage... and it’s so associated with cognitive bias and impulsive thinking that it’s allowed a lot of false information to spread quickly. I say let people go back to the manual RT

Was there really that big of a different between “via @user” and “RT” and the retweet button?

User interaction drops dramatically with each extra click required -- I don't think it's hard to extrapolate that an action that involves at least two additional clicks (select text than focus the input), plus keying in text, pasting text, and reformatting pasted text to fit fewer available characters would greatly drop the rate of retweets.

Re: Man Who Built the Retweet: “We Handed a Loaded Weapon to 4-Year-Olds”

#57
post #52
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gamergate was a harassment movement aimed at women in videogames that had some very smart people thinking of justifications and excuses to protect it in public.

That's conflating the actions of trolls with people that were critical of activists. Those are not at all the same thing. The former is NOT ok, the latter is ok and should result in healthy debate. But because Twitter doesn't like nuance, those get collapsed into a single, simple and most outrage-inducing format. A black & white hero/villain narrative. Which also avoids having to deal with any critiques, regardless o…

That ambiguity was a deliberate strategy of Gamergate (and still is a deliberate strategy even today of those with similar disposition).

Re: Man Who Built the Retweet: “We Handed a Loaded Weapon to 4-Year-Olds”

#59

There is a much larger problem here than RTs, and that is lack of journalistic integrity. You can spread pretty much any sort of information without research or even a logical basis. Weirdly, we tend to default to accepting it as valid rather than questioning it. The only realistic cure for this, outside of draconian authority, is to teach people how to be more skeptical and educate them on logical fallacies. These a…

Knowledge of fallacies doesn't help with the tendency of outlets to bury stories they don't like, so it's not a silver bullet.

But it would help. I think you need to build the tools in such a way that education becomes intrinsic to using them. If there were the ability to mark posts or tweets such that you can see "does not follow" or "citation needed" on the specific phrases that would help. Assuming you can do this in such a way that it isn't used to spam.

Re: Man Who Built the Retweet: “We Handed a Loaded Weapon to 4-Year-Olds”

#60

So tired of these "OMG What Did I Create?" stories from social media devs. How about you grow a conscience _before_ you build these things? I have told managers to go f themselves for: Content that would demean people Lying to or misleading customers *Hosing over my fellow engineers ... among other things I don't think it's that special of a thing to do but reading these things makes it seem like it is.

When Twitter was first becoming big, the most important story was how Twitter was empowering the Arab Spring and giving a voice to the voiceless. The retweet button was a part of that; it allowed people to quickly and easily share vital information.

The world was kind of taken off-guard by the fact that this relatively tiny, fail-whale-laden platform could enable freedom and resistance against totalitarian governments. We, and by "we" I mean the collective internet, didn't really foresee that same platform becoming a platform for hatred and disinformation, or a tool of those same totalitarian governments.

Maybe we should have, but there's a problem with that: hindsight is easy, but proactively thinking like a shithead is difficult. Creating the retweet button isn't a matter of conscience, it's a matter of not foreseeing the shitty things shitty people would do with that tool.

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