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Re: GitHub and Trade Controls

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That's a good reminder that, given the slight deterioration of the USA strategic/diplomatic stability in the past few years, using any US-based services without a strictly non-US backup is like playing poker. And it happens we're a lot to play poker here.

ITAR has been in place for decades...

Things had been getting better though, rather than worse. When was the last time someone had to publish cryptographic software by printing it on a stack of paper?

Re: GitHub and Trade Controls

#53
post #37

This is just sad. I feel for all my open source developers in these countries. I feel for all my peers who I spent my undergrad with in Iran. These archaic laws need to be deleted. America needs to be shamed for making it so hard for people to gain skills in these countries. Companies need to be shamed for not challenging these laws.

Shame should be directed at the sanctioned govts like that of Cuba that jail or kill people for political dissent. And shame on companies that help them. These regimes are unelected or sponsor terrorism, like Iran. They must not grow. It's a bad situation all around and there is no other peaceful alternative. Crippling these govts provides them with less resources to setup extreme surveillance grids and control, like China who has Muslims under total surveillance and has 1 million of them in a camp (they aren't trying to sneak into China). They also harvest political prisoner organs and millions of unregistered women are in hiding because of the 1-child policy (not too mention females are aborted at an extreme rate). Iran's people have a shot because it's hard for the govt to control them with limited resources. The Soviets were energized by not so bad relations with the West after WII. That gave them the build up for future proxy wars and destroying pockets of dissent, including entrenching the CPB and North Korea. And if we didn't resist and sanction, hundreds of millions would now be under the thumb of the Soviets and possibly under German Nationalist Socialists if the free world did not fight and sanction them too.

Re: GitHub and Trade Controls

#54
post #37

This is just sad. I feel for all my open source developers in these countries. I feel for all my peers who I spent my undergrad with in Iran. These archaic laws need to be deleted. America needs to be shamed for making it so hard for people to gain skills in these countries. Companies need to be shamed for not challenging these laws.

Shame should be directed at the sanctioned govts like that of Cuba that jail or kill people for political dissent. And shame on companies that help them. These regimes are unelected or sponsor terrorism, like Iran. They must not grow. It's a bad situation all around and there is no other peaceful alternative. Crippling these govts provides them with less resources to setup extreme surveillance grids and control, like…

How is this related to people being limited?

Why is this even a point? Would you be happy if I took away your kids future by pointing out however many fucked up things your country has done?

Re: GitHub and Trade Controls

#55
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shame should be directed at the sanctioned govts like that of Cuba that jail or kill people for political dissent. And shame on companies that help them. These regimes are unelected or sponsor terrorism, like Iran. They must not grow. It's a bad situation all around and there is no other peaceful alternative. Crippling these govts provides them with less resources to setup extreme surveillance grids and control, like…

How is this related to people being limited? Why is this even a point? Would you be happy if I took away your kids future by pointing out however many fucked up things your country has done?

You could have made the same argument to not sanction any govt, like the Nationalist Socialists or Soviets.

Re: GitHub and Trade Controls

#56
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're trying to develop any technology which requires trade secrets or IP protection -> you should not be using a public SaaS.

But there's no reason quadcopter software should require trade secrets or IP protection. It could just as easily be open source, and yet it still sounds like the rules prohibit it.

From skirmishes in the 1990s crypto wars I can assure you plenty of open source software was export controlled.

In fact this was a drive for some of Cygnus' overseas offices: not to evade the law but to do development that could not be spoiled by accidentally exposing it to a person subject to export control laws. Stupidly, we could import that software into the States, but people there couldn't fix bugs in it, only file reports.

Re: GitHub and Trade Controls

#57
post #5

These rules are so stupid and actually hurts no one but the poor individual developer, a few years ago I used to live in Syria before the events. I had to find 3rd party mirrors or VPNs for the stupidest shit... like Nvidia graphics driver, adobe flash player, Java runtime and silly stuff like that, some ISPs had public download pages where you can find these general utilities most of it was outdated but does the job…

>I guess the US is afraid that terrorists may develop weapons using Adobe flash player xD

Don't forget the old iTunes TOS.

Re: GitHub and Trade Controls

#58
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this related to people being limited? Why is this even a point? Would you be happy if I took away your kids future by pointing out however many fucked up things your country has done?

You could have made the same argument to not sanction any govt, like the Nationalist Socialists or Soviets.

This isn't sanctioning the govt. This is sanctioning people.

The govt has billions of resources to bypass this.

Re: GitHub and Trade Controls

#59
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could have made the same argument to not sanction any govt, like the Nationalist Socialists or Soviets.

This isn't sanctioning the govt. This is sanctioning people. The govt has billions of resources to bypass this.

I don’t think it takes “billions of resources” for a third world dictatorship to use a VPN.

For the average citizen of those countries, VPNs are either illegal or more expensive than their daily wage.

Re: GitHub and Trade Controls

#60
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could have made the same argument to not sanction any govt, like the Nationalist Socialists or Soviets.

This isn't sanctioning the govt. This is sanctioning people. The govt has billions of resources to bypass this.

Economic sanctions prevent these regimes from entrenching themselves and growing. And if it didn't, the Iranian regime wouldn't be seizing ships and harassing our Navy to protest the sanctions. They work. And bad govts have crumbled using this and supportive efforts. Are you sympathetic to the underclass dissidents getting tortured and killed or the small fraction of Iranian upper-middle class elites complaining about the USA sanctions and not fully condemning the murderous Ayatollah?
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