Live data from Hacker News

Winnti: Hackers attacking the heart of German industry

br24.de

51–60 of 154 posts

Re: Winnti: Hackers attacking the heart of German industry

#51
post #44
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. Salaries of 70-90k EUR for Senior devs in Berlin are absolutely achievable and combined with the quite low cost of living in Berlin you probably have more fun money than anywhere in Europe as a developer.

But not nearly as much as you'd have in the US, probably.

Rents are a lot cheaper in Berlin. You don't need a car either. It's also a nicer city in general, I feel a lot safer in Berlin than in San Francisco.

Re: Winnti: Hackers attacking the heart of German industry

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The whole article is made up like the NYTimes interactive articles are. Not him, but for me: yes and thats the problem. I don't need Infotainment wrapped, information wrapped in some storytelling timeline with broken scrolling. Just give me a well done article without the nonsense, Jesus. These animation, hex code dumps etc. add ZERO value to the article.

Hi. One of the author(s) of the article here. The plain article with information-only is over here: https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/ndr/winnti-101.html We released a longer version, because we do hear very often that people don't understand how these intrusions are actually working. Also, we tried to show the scale. -> both long form and shorter version hope that helps.

the graphics are a great addition. Seems like this is targeted towards a non-technical audience, but finally making an effort to explain what's going on technically like other STEM articles from do from generic news sources. Nice job if you're an author

Re: Winnti: Hackers attacking the heart of German industry

#53
post #46
post #10

As of today we still use shared network drives for everything in major German company. We don’t use slack/irc/Skype/zoom/whatever. Phone calls and conferences(!) from the middle of open office is normal. Asana/Trello/Jira are not known at all. GitHub is paid for, but never used. I am single weirdo in multi department project using github ticket system. The code with prefix is copied for colleagues to project’s shared…

The state of the German IT industry outside of a few select places (Berlin, mostly) is what makes me very pessimistic about the future of its car industry. They (meaning the big 3: VW, BMW and Mercedes) apparently still think that building the best engines/transmissions and being the best at putting them all together is all it takes in order to make a modern car, unfortunately I think EVs will be more about software…

This explains why one of the major tier 1 suppliers has an absolutely horrendous workflow in processing financial data. We do a lot of business with them and when processing invoices sent to them, almost every division outside of Germany accepts invoices by email, but for one of the central German plants, they only accept invoices by mail to a foreign PO Box, so we're effectively giving a discount due to international shipping per each shipment/invoice can get high. As far as I can tell this seems more like an IT issue rather than a financial one (very large firms are geniuses in pushing out which vendors to pay, but if this was a universal case then every international plant would only accept invoices by mail)

Re: Winnti: Hackers attacking the heart of German industry

#54
post #10

As of today we still use shared network drives for everything in major German company. We don’t use slack/irc/Skype/zoom/whatever. Phone calls and conferences(!) from the middle of open office is normal. Asana/Trello/Jira are not known at all. GitHub is paid for, but never used. I am single weirdo in multi department project using github ticket system. The code with prefix is copied for colleagues to project’s shared…

In my major German company, mostly living off hardware, we seem to be at least living with a decent stack (though mostly using the MS copycats of Slack, Jira and Github). Interesting that it seems to be different at other companies. However, describing the automotive companies of being unaware of the need for more software devs is simply false - living in Munich, all the companies are doing is investing in software devs (car media, autonomous driving, electric cars, digital business models, apps, car sharing,...)

Re: Winnti: Hackers attacking the heart of German industry

#55
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> treating IT like a cost center that has to be outsourced to wherever is cheaper As if outsourcing wasn't a common trend across Western companies "thanks" to globalization and the utter dominance of US-american neoliberalism. > and companies' tradition of rewarding management incompetence over technical competence Again, quite common - the "old" Soziale Marktwirtschaft moguls with decades-long visions would not let…

I'm a German soon to be CS graduate and right now my favourites are SV and London. I'll try to get into a company that can sponsor L1 visa for SV first and then I'll try London. The German job market is precisely as described by GP: you are competing all the time with remote people in countries with much smaller cost of living and the wages are super low compared to aforementioned places. Germany has great schools, a…

> The German job market is precisely as described by GP: you are competing all the time with remote people in countries with much smaller cost of living and the wages are super low compared to aforementioned places.

This is not something I ever encountered. Are you sure you are familiar with real job markets? If you're looking for an interesting job (in Munich), feel free to contact me.

Re: Winnti: Hackers attacking the heart of German industry

#56
post #33
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a German soon to be CS graduate and right now my favourites are SV and London. I'll try to get into a company that can sponsor L1 visa for SV first and then I'll try London. The German job market is precisely as described by GP: you are competing all the time with remote people in countries with much smaller cost of living and the wages are super low compared to aforementioned places. Germany has great schools, a…

As Portuguese doing consultancy in Germany, the market is way better than in other European countries. As for the software quality, it is everywhere the same when the main business is not selling software packages. Companies just care that their use cases are covered, no matter how it looks under the hood.

How is Portugal on the cost of living vs wage scale?

I was under the impression that the likes of Lisbon are great if you earn above average wage, and the surf is awesome.

Tech in Lisbon not comparable to Germany?

Re: Winnti: Hackers attacking the heart of German industry

#57
post #36
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Packet analysis was seen as the worst thing in the company Wow, that is just insane... "We want you to put a nail in that board but, by god do not even think of using a hammer". That must be the worst case of "security" by obscurity I have ever heard. Was this one of the bigger companies or a smaller firm? I wonder what kind of decision making process leads to such policies.

A big company doing mainly nice white fridges and yellow construction machinery. But they also do parts for planes. After quitting I heard, they were having some military project and had strict rules for it... Same building, same strict rules for everybody.

If its the same building its not that secure I went for a job at hauntings (aerospace and weapons) years ago.

I wasn't even allowed inside the main plant for the interview - they had a room attached to the gate house they used.

Re: Winnti: Hackers attacking the heart of German industry

#58
post #10

As of today we still use shared network drives for everything in major German company. We don’t use slack/irc/Skype/zoom/whatever. Phone calls and conferences(!) from the middle of open office is normal. Asana/Trello/Jira are not known at all. GitHub is paid for, but never used. I am single weirdo in multi department project using github ticket system. The code with prefix is copied for colleagues to project’s shared…

That's not just in Germany. The €3bn Dutch energy company I've worked for was glued together with a shared network drive. It was effectively their poor man's event bus. Pure anarchy, a house of cards of excel sheets and legacy software writing to and consuming from it. Controlling serious infrastructure like the major power plants of the 18th largest economy of the world in 2012 [1]. The result of IT managers who failed to see how the world was changing and came and go, to do things like "agile transformations" instead. I've learned valuable but painful lessons there.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Netherlands

Re: Winnti: Hackers attacking the heart of German industry

#59
post #33
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a German soon to be CS graduate and right now my favourites are SV and London. I'll try to get into a company that can sponsor L1 visa for SV first and then I'll try London. The German job market is precisely as described by GP: you are competing all the time with remote people in countries with much smaller cost of living and the wages are super low compared to aforementioned places. Germany has great schools, a…

As Portuguese doing consultancy in Germany, the market is way better than in other European countries. As for the software quality, it is everywhere the same when the main business is not selling software packages. Companies just care that their use cases are covered, no matter how it looks under the hood.

This. Italy here, working with Slack, GitHub, etc. But my customers don't always care about the technical details. Companies with an IT staff usually do, the others don't because they don't know anything about those problems, except some scare about cookies and GDPR.

I could write software on paper and deploy by magic, it would be ok for them. And why not, they make money selling other stuff. Then a customer I haven't been working for a very long time calls me asking if I got a copy of their production VM, even many years ago would be ok (obviously I didn't) because they got hit by ransomware years after having stopped to do backups, maybe because it was too inconvenient.

Re: Winnti: Hackers attacking the heart of German industry

#60
post #10

As of today we still use shared network drives for everything in major German company. We don’t use slack/irc/Skype/zoom/whatever. Phone calls and conferences(!) from the middle of open office is normal. Asana/Trello/Jira are not known at all. GitHub is paid for, but never used. I am single weirdo in multi department project using github ticket system. The code with prefix is copied for colleagues to project’s shared…

This is a recurring flawed observation when young grads enter industry and expect continuous integration, test-driven development and $buzzword framework. What you describe is simply the reality in a vast majority of companies, Germany or elsewhere.
Post reply on HN