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Multi-Layer Dictionary (2016)

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Re: Multi-Layer Dictionary (2016)

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Sure, but "go ask a bunch of people which hand they write with" seems like a huge copout to me. It's like if prime numbers were defined as, "The numbers most mathematicians say are prime."

So how would you propose to explain which side is which?

Left: Face the noon sun. Lift one arm to point at where it was first seen this morning.

Edit: works where I live. YMMV. Adapt as needed (which I thought about saying but decided wasn't needed here.)

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Has there been any attempts to 'translate' this into other languages? I'm struggling most often with vocabulary first, whereas the grammar is much easier for me to grasp (programming helps?)

Seconded, I _need_ this for German.

There is a list of semantic primes on the German Wikipedia, though it seems like it's just a translation from the English words: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantisches_Primitivum

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Reminds me of the Natural Semantic Metalanguage approach in linguistics by Anna Wierzbicka, Cliff Goddard and others. Nice to see, that there is actually quite some overlap both in quantity as well as in the actual words.

It's not a coincidence: http://learnthesewordsfirst.com/about/research-behind-the-di...

Re: Multi-Layer Dictionary (2016)

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The dictionary starts with those 60 words, like axioms in mathematics. Then it builds up a vocabulary on top of them. Left is defined this way: [X is on the right side of your body.] = X is on this side of your body: Most people write using the hand they have on this side of their body. So "on a side of", "people", "be/is", are included in those first 60 words. "body", "write", "hand", etc. are defined after the firs…

Sure, but "go ask a bunch of people which hand they write with" seems like a huge copout to me. It's like if prime numbers were defined as, "The numbers most mathematicians say are prime."

The main point for me is that you don't only need a good definition of left (/right), but you also need to keep your audience in mind.

If you ask me "what type of person doesn't know what 'left' means", my answer would be "either a child or a foreigner who just started learning the language". For that audience, even saying "the side where your heart is" (like some other comment suggests) would require knowing what "heart" means, which might not be a good assumption for this specific audience.

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This is very interesting -- a kind of topological sort of the dictionary. It seems like a very natural thing to want to do with subject-specific glossaries as well. Often when I approach a new topic or hobby I want a glossary of all the jargon up front, and I want the words ordered from least to most demanding of in-knowledge.

I am a newbie to topology, so please help me. What is a topological sort and why does it describe this?

Not sure why it's called topological sort or what it had to do with topology, but it's a graph traversal where predecessors are visited before their successors. Such a sort only exists if there are no cycles in the graph.

Re: Multi-Layer Dictionary (2016)

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So how would you propose to explain which side is which?

Use an asymmetry of the human body. Left is on the same side as your heart.

Which is again, only most of time (cf: dextrocardia).

Not as common as left-handedness (one in ten), but still in the order of one in ten thousand people.

Re: Multi-Layer Dictionary (2016)

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This reminds me a little of "English Through Pictures" by Richards and Gibson, and "English Made Easy" by Crighton and Koster. Both use images to provide concrete examples for those words that can be illustrated visually.

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So how would you propose to explain which side is which?

Left: Face the noon sun. Lift one arm to point at where it was first seen this morning. Edit: works where I live. YMMV. Adapt as needed (which I thought about saying but decided wasn't needed here .)

> Left: Face the noon sun. Lift one arm to point at where it was first seen this morning.

That...fails to be generally accurate pretty badly.

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Left: Face the noon sun. Lift one arm to point at where it was first seen this morning. Edit: works where I live. YMMV. Adapt as needed (which I thought about saying but decided wasn't needed here .)

> Left: Face the noon sun. Lift one arm to point at where it was first seen this morning. That...fails to be generally accurate pretty badly.

As a quick example: north vs south hemisphere swaps this.
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