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Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by tuesdayrain »

aaomidi wrote: post #36
user5994461 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dear dev, Please disregard the message above. USA and Europe too are forbidding you to sell to Iran and a couple of countries. Google is doing you a favor by blocking traffic out of the box. If they didn't do it, you would most likely have to block it yourself. There are official documents listing items and services you're not allowed to provide with how many years of jails you're risking. Just because you don't know…

What's wrong with you?

He believes that his advice will prevent some developers from suffering serious legal consequences. I see nothing wrong there. Feel free to provide the right information if you think he's incorrect.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by codedokode »

ilaksh wrote: post #27

Its an ongoing war. Just without bullets. My concern is that people will see him mention things like censorship and for them that will justify an invasion that results in mass killing and destruction. Does anyone know exactly what sort of actual submission they are looking for from Iran? I really don't believe its about nuclear development. I hope that any Iranians who can get out will get out.

It might be about Strait of Hormuz which is a strategic point [1]. Iran and Oman want to have full control over their coastal waters, but "civilized world" doesn't want that because in that case they could for example forbid entering Persian gulf to warships of specific countries, or for merchant ships. So the civilized world wants Iran to play by their rules.

Quote from Wikipedia:

> A third of the world’s liquefied natural gas and almost 20% of total global oil consumption passes through the strait, making it a highly important strategic location for international trade.

Here is another quote from [2]:

> The United States under Ronald Reagan imposed new sanctions in 1987 after Iran's actions from 1981-1987 against U.S. and other shipping vessels in the Persian Gulf and support for terrorism.

Also Iran is a rich and large country with 80M population that could take a leadership in the region unless stopped by sanctions.

But that is my personal opinion not confirmed by any proofs.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strait_of_Hormuz

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iran

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by sterlind »

smnrchrds wrote: post #14
viraptor wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is GCP blocking a result of the current sanctions on Iran? (ie. we can't differentiate what you provide so we'll cut everything) Or some other reason?

It's because of sanctions, but it's not recent. I think GCP had always blocked Iran, but I'm not sure. In any case, Azure and AWS are complying with the same sanctions without a blanket ban. After all, they are American companies as well. Azure and AWS don't allow customers from Iran to purchase hosting services, but don't block access to all sites hosted on their platforms, and it seems that this is enough for US re…

I bet it's technical. Both GCP, YouTube and other Google properties suffered recently due to a misconfigured core switch in one of their regions. This implies they share at least network fabric between GCP and everything else. They probably slapped a blanket block over some shared infrastructure, and decided GCP is too much of a small-fry to justify the legal and technical work to be more nuanced.

(Disclosure: I work for MS but have no knowledge of our sanction compliance stuff)

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by smnrchrds »

user5994461 wrote: post #49
smnrchrds wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google is not blocking access to Google Search, or Gmail, or Calendar, Drive, Photos, Maps, etc. Only access to dev tools (e.g. Android Tools) is blocked. I am not a lawyer, but my understanding, based on the actions of companies with larger legal teams than most companies have employees, is that only a tiny portion of the apps need to be blocked in Iran to be compliant with the sanctions. Simplenote (hosted on GCP)…

Quick rule of thumb, as soon as you're dealing with any payment or physical good, you're in quasi certain prohibited territory. That goes for EU countries too that could be considered somewhat chilled in comparison to the US. Hence all businesses should be blocking Iran really, contrary to what you are implying... unless you have a magic business that sells nothing and earns no money. A note taking app might just fly…

Based on the actions of large US tech companies, as described above and in my other comment [0], I believe the rule of thumb is "Don't take Iranian money."

If you are blocking access to a free-to-use service or the free tier of a paid service, you are using a stricter blocking scheme than seems to be required based on the actions of legally-savvy tech companies.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20494402

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by jstewartmobile »

NikolaeVarius wrote: post #15
steve19 wrote: post #4

"People are dying due to absence of medicines. People are starving. The economy system is falling apart and the politicians and their children are all abroad! None of them have any sense about what is going on the streets." That is not what we (the West) are hearing in mainstream media. Edit: I may well be wrong on this as others have pointed out.

I dont understand this type of reply where just because a specific subtopic of a news story isnt being screamed just as loudly as every other top breaking headline, its the western media being silent on the issue. Plenty of discussion has been had on mainstream media about the effects and.effectiveness of sanctions on basic goods https://abcnews.go.com/International/us-sanctions-hit-iran-r... https://www.cnbc.com/201…

Needle in a haystack. Today's articles for me:

* Heat wave relief in sight after scorching temps... * Disney star Cameron Boyce's mother breaks silence... * 'You're breathtaking' Keanu Reeves pulls another classic Keanu... * Thousands of bones discovered in Vatican crypt... * Miss Michigan winner tweets... * National Ice Cream Day means free cones. Here's what to know... * The Horrors of Jeffrey Epstein's Private Island * The 1 Reason you shouldn't save for retirement

Today's body count for the MI-complex never seems to make the cut.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by tomohawk »

tehjoker wrote: post #46

While the Iranian regime is somewhat less than perfect, the US has no business interfering in that region. The establishment reason for tensions is to protect (nuclear armed) Israel and oil (with some other knock on oil based relationships like SA). Guess what though, Israel has nukes and we desperately need to stop using oil as soon as possible. Why not just drop sanctions and stop tearing up perfectly good nuclear…

A deal with no adequate verification regime is not a good deal.

A deal that gives billions of dollars to the worlds largest supporter of terrorism is not a good deal.

It is appeasement.

When fascist regimes like what run Iran say things like how they're going to nuke Israel and the US, that this is a goal they are pursuing, I believe them.

It's sad that the Iranian people have to put up with the fascists who control their government, but appeasing their government will not solve anything.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by lurker9000 »

azimuth11 wrote: post #48
pizza wrote: post #43

Effects of sanctions totally slide off the elite and shit all over the poorest members of a society.

It is sad the sanctions have that side effect. Hopefully it’s enough to affect some change in a hostile country led by an oppressive elite.

are you talking about the US? or Iran? I'm confused...

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by unmole »

smnrchrds wrote: post #45
Thaxll wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every US companies must block Iran, it's not Google it's everyone. https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/programs/... https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/faqs/Sanctions/Page... 630. Is the provision or delivery of goods or services to an Iranian counterparty after November 4, 2018 allowed? The wind-down period has ended and the United States intends to fully enforce the sanctions that have come back…

> Every US companies must block Iran, This does not seem correct. Here is a short non-comprehensive list of services by US companies not blocked in Iran. The list is big enough, and the companies involved large and legally-savvy enough, that this cannot be an oversight. * Gmail, Yahoo Mail, Outlook * Google Maps, Waze (quite popular right now in Iran too!) * Google Drive, Dropbox, OneDrive * Github * Google Keep * Go…

Zoho is Indian, not American.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by ilaksh »

emilsedgh wrote: post #34
ilaksh wrote: post #27

Its an ongoing war. Just without bullets. My concern is that people will see him mention things like censorship and for them that will justify an invasion that results in mass killing and destruction. Does anyone know exactly what sort of actual submission they are looking for from Iran? I really don't believe its about nuclear development. I hope that any Iranians who can get out will get out.

Iranian living in the U.S. here. During Obama it was: We will choke you to death unless you give up your nuclear ambitions. Now it is: We will choke you to death unless you shoot yourself in the head. U.S. is bullying Iran right now and people are starving to death. All because of a partisan issue. Unbelievable.

Do you think it is a partisan issue or do you think it has to do with long term military strategy such as the Strait and fossil fuels? My guess would be they essentially want total military submission, something like a base inside the country.

Re: How is it like to be a dev in Iran

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Post by anon_d »

azimuth11 wrote: post #48
pizza wrote: post #43

Effects of sanctions totally slide off the elite and shit all over the poorest members of a society.

It is sad the sanctions have that side effect. Hopefully it’s enough to affect some change in a hostile country led by an oppressive elite.

Like America?
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