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Re: War for tech talent in NYC

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Post by levigross »

samratjp wrote: post #37
guelo wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=C%2C+java%2C+python%2C+C%2... Java, PHP and Perl are still strong.

I don't deny it as a general trend - but just curious as to why Mr. HotShot recruiter mentioned those three in the same article with startups in it. It's just interesting that quite an overwhelming amount of west coast startups tend to be ruby and/or python shops (in my recent memory, I've seen php mentioned in WePay and facebook; and Perl in Craigslist; Java seems to be mentioned in bigger tech shops or Android shop…

Javascript is the one language now that is super popular (both client and server side..)

Re: War for tech talent in NYC

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Post by yannickt »

huertanix wrote: post #41
tocomment wrote: post #11

You'd think they'd want to hire someone in philli who's willing to work two days a week onsite and the rest from home but no. It's like I have the plague whenever I mention it.

I think that there's a certain dynamic with people that work in person that doesn't happen as much remotely; In person someone could walk into a random conversation after overhearing an idea, start adding their own twist to it, and eventually someone starts scribbling on a whiteboard and a new iteration of your product is born. I just don't see that happening as easily over groupware.

Having everyone on site is almost essential for an early stage startup, but the more established the business the less frequent the dynamic you describe, imo. I think many companies would benefit from hiring a few remote workers. It is one of the many ways a company can win the war on talent. I think one underrated aspect of Google's success in attracting top talent is that they do R&D in many more locations than e.g. Microsoft. Also IIRC the main engineer on Chrome/V8 started working for Google from his home in Denmark.

Re: War for tech talent in NYC

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Post by KaeseEs »

asnyder wrote: post #39
geebee wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This quote struck me as a bit outdated as well. Not because it mentions Java and PHP, but because it seems to imply that those are the big two skill sets. The "what does your startup use?" polls that show up on HN every know and then suggest Python and Ruby are in heavy use (though PHP and Java do still get a decent showing)

Believe it or not the self-selecting group represented on Hacker News is absolutely not representative of the developer majority. Furthermore, it's very unsettling that even on hacker news there's this prevalent anti-PHP attitude. With the release of PHP 5.3, and the current maturity of the numerous frameworks there's never been a better time to use PHP.

That there hasn't ever been a better time to use PHP doesn't make it a good time to use PHP, cf. http://vimeo.com/17675268

Re: War for tech talent in NYC

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Post by apitaru »

jasonlbaptiste wrote: post #4

Who here is an NYC startup and who here is hiring?

Plantly (Brooklyn) is hiring an engineer. We've nailed remote-working down to a science, and also have a great studio to hang/stay at when if you're around. Help us with our deployment stack, balance agility and security. We love Ruby & Python, mighty curious about Scala and Erlang.

http://plantly.com amit at plantly dot com

Re: War for tech talent in NYC

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Post by saikat »

cletus wrote: post #26
goodgoblin wrote: post #17

I would love to know what the average startup is paying now in NYC v.s. what the average Wall Street Firm would pay for the same programmer.

That's really apples and oranges. In many ways, Wall St and startups don't want the same programmers, at least not as much. Working on Wall Street--or most large companies for that matter--is largely transactional . You provide a service. You get paid for that service. You tend to get paid quite well to make up for the abuse you often end up taking. This is particularly true if you work in financial markets (as most…

Wall Street is large, and there are many types of firms there. Technology is a lot more important in a lot of Wall Street firms now than they used to, and, at the hedge fund I used to work at, programmers were the first class citizens and made many of the large decisions. The startup type is the perfect fit for these places - they want people who, with little management, can make innovative tools from scratch that will earn the place millions of dollars. And they pay a lot of money for this kind of person.

Re: War for tech talent in NYC

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Post by asanwal »

cletus wrote: post #26
goodgoblin wrote: post #17

I would love to know what the average startup is paying now in NYC v.s. what the average Wall Street Firm would pay for the same programmer.

That's really apples and oranges. In many ways, Wall St and startups don't want the same programmers, at least not as much. Working on Wall Street--or most large companies for that matter--is largely transactional . You provide a service. You get paid for that service. You tend to get paid quite well to make up for the abuse you often end up taking. This is particularly true if you work in financial markets (as most…

With respect to recent grads (bachelors, master, PhD), if you have loans to pay off, the allure of Wall Street is significant and understandable as it puts more money in your pocket tmw vs. 99% of startups.

In the case of these grads, it's not an issue of profile but simple arithmetic that results in Wall St winning.

Re: War for tech talent in NYC

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Post by yannickt »

asanwal wrote: post #57
cletus wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's really apples and oranges. In many ways, Wall St and startups don't want the same programmers, at least not as much. Working on Wall Street--or most large companies for that matter--is largely transactional . You provide a service. You get paid for that service. You tend to get paid quite well to make up for the abuse you often end up taking. This is particularly true if you work in financial markets (as most…

With respect to recent grads (bachelors, master, PhD), if you have loans to pay off, the allure of Wall Street is significant and understandable as it puts more money in your pocket tmw vs. 99% of startups. In the case of these grads, it's not an issue of profile but simple arithmetic that results in Wall St winning.

I would say that Wall Street is probably more appealing to experienced professionals than it is to recent grads. People have goals (e.g. comfortable retirement) and very real needs (paying the house, providing for family, etc.) that take money to accommodate. Most people would gladly accept a salary that allows them to reach these goals faster than most alternatives.

Re: War for tech talent in NYC

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Post by doron »

apitaru wrote: post #55
jasonlbaptiste wrote: post #4

Who here is an NYC startup and who here is hiring?

Plantly (Brooklyn) is hiring an engineer. We've nailed remote-working down to a science, and also have a great studio to hang/stay at when if you're around. Help us with our deployment stack, balance agility and security. We love Ruby & Python, mighty curious about Scala and Erlang. http://plantly.com amit at plantly dot com

Do post more Amit. your input might be of value here.
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