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Italian police raid of neo-fascist militants finds air-to-air missile

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Re: Italian police raid of neo-fascist militants finds air-to-air missile

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How dangerous is one of these things without the surrounding targeting system? And how useful would this be to a foreign government that somehow doesn't have access to other air-to-air missiles? It seems to me like a bit of a sensationalist headline, and the more dangerous weapons are actually the small arms.

Not very, since it lacks a warhead. And it's a late-70s era missile, so not even valuable for reverse engineering.

I’d love to watch a teardown on YouTube.

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Anyone with more insight into all of this than me who can explain why they went to fight on the Russian side? I mean, there surely were neo-nazis around on both sides of that conflict, right? Just different flavours? I wonder how you pick who to support if your core ideology is that "people different from us are bad".

There are no* neo-nazis from the Ukrainian side, it's a Russian propaganda myth. Since WW2, they've been putting a "neo-nazi" label on anyone who thinks that Ukraine shouldn't be a part of Russia. * I mean that ocurrence of neo-nazis is approximately the same as in any normal country. You can never say there are no neo-nazis in any particular group of people, of course.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30414955

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Anyone with more insight into all of this than me who can explain why they went to fight on the Russian side? I mean, there surely were neo-nazis around on both sides of that conflict, right? Just different flavours? I wonder how you pick who to support if your core ideology is that "people different from us are bad".

I find it surprising that somebody still finds it surprising.

Neonazism was for all purposes Putin's de-facto state ideology for Russia since around 2005 or so.

The only fig leaf they have is the official denial of connection in between the skinheads and other neonazi groups and the state. That is only skin deep of course https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2017/11/23/dbb8470a...

Putin is of course afraid of image taint and loosing personal access to the Western politicians if he were to dress like a nazi himself. So he keeps himself nominally distanced

Re: Italian police raid of neo-fascist militants finds air-to-air missile

#54
post #38

How dangerous is one of these things without the surrounding targeting system? And how useful would this be to a foreign government that somehow doesn't have access to other air-to-air missiles? It seems to me like a bit of a sensationalist headline, and the more dangerous weapons are actually the small arms.

Not very, since it lacks a warhead. And it's a late-70s era missile, so not even valuable for reverse engineering.

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That would be a Hollywood version of the ideology. Right extreme groups are quite a tangled mess. Many of these groups in Europe are looking up to Russia (and Poland, and Hungary, and Serbia) right now. Those eastern european countries are perceived as the possible source for a European nationalist renaissance, as they display a strong stance against both european federalism and mass immigration. Obviously, that visi…

I think those countries stance against liberal ideas like gender equality, lgbt right and so on as well as a rather authoritarian form of government at least in Russia and Hungary might make western European fascists a bit jealous as well.

Very jealous. Russia is simply considered the "good guy", standing up against the perceived oppression from globalism and European federalism.

The people of the EU often want to see ourselves as progressive, but we're a very diverse lot and there's a lot of people who would like to take a few steps back in regards to LGBT rights, Pan-Europeanism and multi-culturalism.

Re: Italian police raid of neo-fascist militants finds air-to-air missile

#56

How dangerous is one of these things without the surrounding targeting system? And how useful would this be to a foreign government that somehow doesn't have access to other air-to-air missiles? It seems to me like a bit of a sensationalist headline, and the more dangerous weapons are actually the small arms.

> How dangerous is one of these things without the surrounding targeting system?

30kg fragmentation warhead is enough to kill a lot of people.

Few kg IEDs kill and maim up to a hundred people, now imagine how a factory made 30kg warhead will perform.

Re: Italian police raid of neo-fascist militants finds air-to-air missile

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post #51
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not very, since it lacks a warhead. And it's a late-70s era missile, so not even valuable for reverse engineering.

I’d love to watch a teardown on YouTube.

A guy did a teardown of the seeker head from a russian Knock-off of the AIM-9. Rather interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbxcS1AwquA

Re: Italian police raid of neo-fascist militants finds air-to-air missile

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are no* neo-nazis from the Ukrainian side, it's a Russian propaganda myth. Since WW2, they've been putting a "neo-nazi" label on anyone who thinks that Ukraine shouldn't be a part of Russia. * I mean that ocurrence of neo-nazis is approximately the same as in any normal country. You can never say there are no neo-nazis in any particular group of people, of course.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30414955

Yeah, good example of "post-truth" world. Russia is rich and large and influential enough to influence even BBC. In fact, the ideology that drives the Russian side of the conflict indeed has something to do with nazism, while Ukrainians are just protecting their own country. Ukrainians don't fight on non-Ukrainian soil, while Russians do fight on Ukrainian soil.

Today, both president and prime minister of Ukraine are Jewish both by ethnic origin and by religion, by the way.

Re: Italian police raid of neo-fascist militants finds air-to-air missile

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Italian here, in the news they said it looks like the rocket was empty. So explosive was probably removed to be used by itself.

The linked article said it didn't have a warhead. Are you saying it didn't have any propellant either? In that case an expensive tube?

The more that comes out about this story the more boring it seems.

Re: Italian police raid of neo-fascist militants finds air-to-air missile

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This is being reported elsewhere with other details. Reports that there were multiple raids across the region on a number of groups who were connected, although details are scarce. I’ve seen it reported that the weapons belong to a member of a Juventus Ultras group.

Links:

https://www.football-italia.net/140792/juve-ultras-neo-nazi-...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/01/nside-talys-ul...

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