How dangerous is one of these things without the surrounding targeting system? And how useful would this be to a foreign government that somehow doesn't have access to other air-to-air missiles? It seems to me like a bit of a sensationalist headline, and the more dangerous weapons are actually the small arms.
Not very, since it lacks a warhead. And it's a late-70s era missile, so not even valuable for reverse engineering.
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#52Anyone with more insight into all of this than me who can explain why they went to fight on the Russian side? I mean, there surely were neo-nazis around on both sides of that conflict, right? Just different flavours? I wonder how you pick who to support if your core ideology is that "people different from us are bad".
There are no* neo-nazis from the Ukrainian side, it's a Russian propaganda myth. Since WW2, they've been putting a "neo-nazi" label on anyone who thinks that Ukraine shouldn't be a part of Russia. * I mean that ocurrence of neo-nazis is approximately the same as in any normal country. You can never say there are no neo-nazis in any particular group of people, of course.
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#53Anyone with more insight into all of this than me who can explain why they went to fight on the Russian side? I mean, there surely were neo-nazis around on both sides of that conflict, right? Just different flavours? I wonder how you pick who to support if your core ideology is that "people different from us are bad".
Neonazism was for all purposes Putin's de-facto state ideology for Russia since around 2005 or so.
The only fig leaf they have is the official denial of connection in between the skinheads and other neonazi groups and the state. That is only skin deep of course https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2017/11/23/dbb8470a...
Putin is of course afraid of image taint and loosing personal access to the Western politicians if he were to dress like a nazi himself. So he keeps himself nominally distanced
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#54How dangerous is one of these things without the surrounding targeting system? And how useful would this be to a foreign government that somehow doesn't have access to other air-to-air missiles? It seems to me like a bit of a sensationalist headline, and the more dangerous weapons are actually the small arms.
Not very, since it lacks a warhead. And it's a late-70s era missile, so not even valuable for reverse engineering.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
That would be a Hollywood version of the ideology. Right extreme groups are quite a tangled mess. Many of these groups in Europe are looking up to Russia (and Poland, and Hungary, and Serbia) right now. Those eastern european countries are perceived as the possible source for a European nationalist renaissance, as they display a strong stance against both european federalism and mass immigration. Obviously, that visi…
I think those countries stance against liberal ideas like gender equality, lgbt right and so on as well as a rather authoritarian form of government at least in Russia and Hungary might make western European fascists a bit jealous as well.
The people of the EU often want to see ourselves as progressive, but we're a very diverse lot and there's a lot of people who would like to take a few steps back in regards to LGBT rights, Pan-Europeanism and multi-culturalism.
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#56How dangerous is one of these things without the surrounding targeting system? And how useful would this be to a foreign government that somehow doesn't have access to other air-to-air missiles? It seems to me like a bit of a sensationalist headline, and the more dangerous weapons are actually the small arms.
30kg fragmentation warhead is enough to kill a lot of people.
Few kg IEDs kill and maim up to a hundred people, now imagine how a factory made 30kg warhead will perform.
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not very, since it lacks a warhead. And it's a late-70s era missile, so not even valuable for reverse engineering.
I’d love to watch a teardown on YouTube.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are no* neo-nazis from the Ukrainian side, it's a Russian propaganda myth. Since WW2, they've been putting a "neo-nazi" label on anyone who thinks that Ukraine shouldn't be a part of Russia. * I mean that ocurrence of neo-nazis is approximately the same as in any normal country. You can never say there are no neo-nazis in any particular group of people, of course.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30414955
Today, both president and prime minister of Ukraine are Jewish both by ethnic origin and by religion, by the way.
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Italian here, in the news they said it looks like the rocket was empty. So explosive was probably removed to be used by itself.
The linked article said it didn't have a warhead. Are you saying it didn't have any propellant either? In that case an expensive tube?
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#60Links:
https://www.football-italia.net/140792/juve-ultras-neo-nazi-...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/01/nside-talys-ul...