Cargill: The Worst Company in the World • Hacker News Board

Re: Cargill: The Worst Company in the World

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Post by Uhhrrr » Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 3:22 AM UTC

inferiorhuman wrote: post #44

rhacker wrote: post #4

Totally distracting aside: I've always felt I wish I could walk around a store with a special set of glasses on so I could apply my own personal voting filters - Chili - benefits monsanto $0.05 per can, KRAFT Foods $1 per can etc... I mean I have a lot of values - I buy small label organics and that does a lot, but sometimes I just want to buy cheetos- I think I would think twice if I knew my enemies were benefitting…

Totally distracting aside: I've always felt I wish I could walk around a store with a special set of glasses on so I could apply my own personal voting filters Oh it's worse than that. Go to your favorite restaurant (or any restaurant really) and ask if they use kosher salt. If they answer in the affirmative, ask which brand they use. Dollars to donuts it's Diamond brand. Guess who owns Diamond?

Hah - I had to look it up (answer:Cargill). FWIW, it's good salt.

Re: Cargill: The Worst Company in the World

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Post by refurb » Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 4:06 AM UTC

_brnu wrote: post #39

Seriously? Worst company in the world? Come on. They’re responding to demand. If Cargill doesn’t buy the palm oil, another importer/distributor will. Sure, educate customers regarding the impacts of their purchases, but “worst company in the world” is just trolling. It’s this kind of partisan over-the-top hyperbole that turns people off and, IMHO, gets dudes like Trump elected.

The hyperbole is quite annoying. I can easily think of worse companies than Cargill.

Re: Cargill: The Worst Company in the World

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Post by josho » Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 4:11 AM UTC

rossdavidh wrote: post #41

So, this may sound awkward but I'm going to say it anyway: this is what globalization enables. The very fact of sourcing things as elemental as the food you eat, from the other side of the planet (whichever side has the laxest environmental, health, and safety rules), makes this easier. It is easier to live far away from the things your company does, and the people it does them to, if they're on a different continent…

Globalization isn’t necessarily the problem. It’s the rules surrounding trade that perpetuates the problem you outlined.

In some alternate universe we could have free trade laws that enshrined environmental, labor, and other protections into law to benefit all. Instead we have laws that are silent (or with what we almost had under TPP toothless) on protections for anything other than corporations.

Re: Cargill: The Worst Company in the World

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Post by kortilla » Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 4:18 AM UTC

empath75 wrote: post #40

_brnu wrote: post #39

Seriously? Worst company in the world? Come on. They’re responding to demand. If Cargill doesn’t buy the palm oil, another importer/distributor will. Sure, educate customers regarding the impacts of their purchases, but “worst company in the world” is just trolling. It’s this kind of partisan over-the-top hyperbole that turns people off and, IMHO, gets dudes like Trump elected.

Voting for a racist that puts babies in concentration camps is a fairly extreme overreaction to someone criticizing the environmental impact of a company to say the least.

Babies in concentration camps? I thought it was all brown people in ovens and all women in kitchens.

Re: Cargill: The Worst Company in the World

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Post by alanbernstein » Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 4:36 AM UTC

School-Cotton wrote: post #23

alanbernstein wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never heard of shorthand before, but it seems fine to me, what's your issue with it? It works fine, and performantly, in desktop Firefox with a moderate amount of adblock/privacy extensions active. It's mostly just text that you can scroll through like any other article. It just has some semi-sticky images and a timeline widget which, to me, only add to the presentation. It's not like they're hijacking the scrol…

It’s simply not true that everything sucks on mobile. A lot of sites are much more usable than that one.

I'll rephrase: 99% of the time, the desktop version of a site is better than the mobile version in every way. This site is no exception.

I have now had a chance to see it in a mobile browser though, and yeah, it is pretty bad. Still, the desktop site is much better, as usual.

Re: Cargill: The Worst Company in the World

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Post by ggm » Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 4:55 AM UTC

josho wrote: post #53

rossdavidh wrote: post #41

So, this may sound awkward but I'm going to say it anyway: this is what globalization enables. The very fact of sourcing things as elemental as the food you eat, from the other side of the planet (whichever side has the laxest environmental, health, and safety rules), makes this easier. It is easier to live far away from the things your company does, and the people it does them to, if they're on a different continent…

Globalization isn’t necessarily the problem. It’s the rules surrounding trade that perpetuates the problem you outlined. In some alternate universe we could have free trade laws that enshrined environmental, labor, and other protections into law to benefit all. Instead we have laws that are silent (or with what we almost had under TPP toothless) on protections for anything other than corporations.

Globalization isn’t necessarily the problem. It’s the rules surrounding trade that perpetuates the problem you outlined.

Except I believe the lack of rules, and the specific anti-regulatory pressures of modern neoliberal economic rationalists are one of the underlying axioms of globalization as implemented: Its not a coincidence, it was designed into the DNA.

Re: Cargill: The Worst Company in the World

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Post by johncolanduoni » Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 5:07 AM UTC

rossdavidh wrote: post #41

So, this may sound awkward but I'm going to say it anyway: this is what globalization enables. The very fact of sourcing things as elemental as the food you eat, from the other side of the planet (whichever side has the laxest environmental, health, and safety rules), makes this easier. It is easier to live far away from the things your company does, and the people it does them to, if they're on a different continent…

Many of the noted violations were on US soil.

Re: Cargill: The Worst Company in the World

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Post by goatinaboat » Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 5:10 AM UTC

brianpgordon wrote: post #36

They'll do exactly as much damage as they can get away with. If there's no regulation standing in their way, or the potential profits outweigh the consequences, of course they'll continue their malfeasance. I don't know why this is surprising to anyone. The nature of any corporation is to act in its own self-interest. I guess Mighty Earth is doing what they can, but it's like raking leaves in the forest, in the middl…

If there's no regulation standing in their way, or the potential profits outweigh the consequences, of course they'll continue their malfeasance

Well, yes, but that’s really “if voters and customers are happy” isn’t it? No corporations exist in a vacuum. It’s like Nike making shoes in sweatshops, people moan but buy them anyway. Voters could sort it easily by imposing punitive tariffs on any country that doesn’t comply with US labor and environmental laws.

Re: Cargill: The Worst Company in the World

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Post by phs318u » Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 5:16 AM UTC

rossdavidh wrote: post #41

So, this may sound awkward but I'm going to say it anyway: this is what globalization enables. The very fact of sourcing things as elemental as the food you eat, from the other side of the planet (whichever side has the laxest environmental, health, and safety rules), makes this easier. It is easier to live far away from the things your company does, and the people it does them to, if they're on a different continent…

Agreed. I’ve often thought that the banes of regulatory arbitrage and labour arbitrage could be simultaneously killed by allowing the free movement of people across borders. It’s strange to me that corporations and money can cross borders easier than people.

Re: Cargill: The Worst Company in the World

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Post by saagarjha » Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 5:23 AM UTC

alanbernstein wrote: post #20

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #14

If you're actually interested in reading this report as opposed to struggling through the web presentation, this is the link to the PDF: http://www.mightyearth.org/wp-content/uploads/Mighty-Earth-R... This piece did inadvertently introduce me to Shorthand, which tells me that "the world's most successful digital storytelling teams" are using it to "create simply beautiful stories using" Shorthand's "beautifully simpl…

I've never heard of shorthand before, but it seems fine to me, what's your issue with it? It works fine, and performantly, in desktop Firefox with a moderate amount of adblock/privacy extensions active. It's mostly just text that you can scroll through like any other article. It just has some semi-sticky images and a timeline widget which, to me, only add to the presentation. It's not like they're hijacking the scrol…

> Everything sucks on mobile.

Not if you put a bit of thought into your web design, it doesn’t.