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Respawn will deal with Apex Legends cheaters by making them fight each other

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Re: Respawn will deal with Apex Legends cheaters by making them fight each other

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Post by viraptor »

Schoolmeister wrote: post #50
viraptor wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately that would be really hard to do without creating a "did we detect cheats" oracle. If they did that, the only thing a person creating a cheating tool needs to do is play a few games to make sure the tool is not detected anymore.

But is that not exactly what cheaters are doing right now? I reckon it would make less sense to implement this kind of system in games which aren't free. The price of the game disincentivizes cheating and makes consecutive iterations of the cheat harder. However, Apex Legends is free. Every time a cheat is detected nothing withholds its developer of creating a new account for the next iteration.

Sometimes... VAC can kick you mid-game for very obvious things. But in other cases you may be able to play for hours until a report goes through and gets verified. That delay (as a side-effect) guarantees that you can't quickly iterate and get immediate feedback on whether you're detected or not.

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Post by invalidOrTaken »

egypturnash wrote: post #13

I hope they are also keeping separate rankings for cheaters, that would be pretty cool. "I'm currently the #5 player in the cheater zone of Apex." Heck, embrace it: don't call it the cheater rankings, call it the tool-assisted rankings, by analogy with "tool-assisted speedruns". Tag people at the end of the game with which particular cheats you detected. Pop up a polite notice that "We have noticed that you seem to b…

The problem is that it this ends up boiling down to your tools, so it's...programming. Competitive programming can be fun! But cheaters are looking to cheat, not compete, which is why they aren't playing something like Screeps.

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Post by penagwin »

invalidOrTaken wrote: post #52
egypturnash wrote: post #13

I hope they are also keeping separate rankings for cheaters, that would be pretty cool. "I'm currently the #5 player in the cheater zone of Apex." Heck, embrace it: don't call it the cheater rankings, call it the tool-assisted rankings, by analogy with "tool-assisted speedruns". Tag people at the end of the game with which particular cheats you detected. Pop up a polite notice that "We have noticed that you seem to b…

The problem is that it this ends up boiling down to your tools, so it's...programming. Competitive programming can be fun! But cheaters are looking to cheat , not compete, which is why they aren't playing something like Screeps.

Actually in CS:GO there's a pretty big Hack vs Hack scene where both teams cheat. It's interesting because on one hand there are some novel cheats, on the other you still have to obey the game's mechanics, just in a different way.

Note: Please do not cheat in video games unless everyone involved is okay with it (such as dedicated HvH servers)

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Post by siphon22 »

Reminds me a lot of hacking servers in cs 1.6 back in the day. I was a regular in some of them. People in these servers would pretty much brag about how much better their hack was compared to everyone else's(often also claiming that they programmed it themselves, could be true sometimes but id say most not). I thought it was fun. Everyone has an aimbot, but the faster, better coded one will win.

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Post by spondyl »

egypturnash wrote: post #13

I hope they are also keeping separate rankings for cheaters, that would be pretty cool. "I'm currently the #5 player in the cheater zone of Apex." Heck, embrace it: don't call it the cheater rankings, call it the tool-assisted rankings, by analogy with "tool-assisted speedruns". Tag people at the end of the game with which particular cheats you detected. Pop up a polite notice that "We have noticed that you seem to b…

A cyber hamsterdam of sorts

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Post by brok3nmachine »

berbec wrote: post #48
egypturnash wrote: post #13

I hope they are also keeping separate rankings for cheaters, that would be pretty cool. "I'm currently the #5 player in the cheater zone of Apex." Heck, embrace it: don't call it the cheater rankings, call it the tool-assisted rankings, by analogy with "tool-assisted speedruns". Tag people at the end of the game with which particular cheats you detected. Pop up a polite notice that "We have noticed that you seem to b…

Also - a separate MLB where you can 'roid your testicles to kingdom come. Let everyone have a 1.1 slugging average and the pitchers all throw 110

They have this for significant weight lifting competitions. Where known steroid users are allowed to participate.

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Post by csa »

afiori wrote: post #47
aznpwnzor wrote: post #8

i would have liked this for pokemon go. i started scripting the week it came out and then was banned in the 2nd or 3rd ban wave. but i would have liked to continue playing against other scripters

Sadly the nature of the game doesn't allow for this, you cannot just spin up more matches in PoGO. But on this I am very critical of how Niantic is handling both Pokemon GO and wizard Unite

What is your issue with WU? I can’t see scripting really impacting the play of others (at least not yet).

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Post by hatsunearu »

leetbulb wrote: post #35
egypturnash wrote: post #13

I hope they are also keeping separate rankings for cheaters, that would be pretty cool. "I'm currently the #5 player in the cheater zone of Apex." Heck, embrace it: don't call it the cheater rankings, call it the tool-assisted rankings, by analogy with "tool-assisted speedruns". Tag people at the end of the game with which particular cheats you detected. Pop up a polite notice that "We have noticed that you seem to b…

I haven't kept up with it, but back in the day of Counter Strike there were VAC-disabled servers specifically configured for cheaters and it was very interesting to see all of the various aimbots, wallhacks, etc going at it. Some of the cheats were specifically designed for these servers. As someone mentioned elsewhere in this thread, this was called HvH. Great stuff.

It still exists apparently.

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Post by cameronbrown »

H8crilA wrote: post #26

Counter strike has a similar system, based on a hidden score called trust factor. Matchmaking system does some optimization and tries to pair similarly skilled people with similar trust factors. They also have a neural network setup that constantly scans match logs for cheaters. If I remember correctly it is responsible for > 50% of all cheater reports (the rest comes from players). Final conviction comes from a crow…

> They also have a neural network setup that constantly scans match logs for cheaters

For those wondering what this is referring to, it's a system called VACNet[0] presented at GDC last year.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObhK8lUfIlc [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnRgW54EWwA

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