Does that help them to get around regulatory scrutiny (ie get the planes on the air faster)? Or is it just to fool consumers?
Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change
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Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it appropriate to call this fearmongering when the issues are real (for the 737)?
Yes. I think it is appropriate to call this fearmongering. The planes with the faulty software are grounded and won't be flying until they new software is proven to be safe. The re-certification process will likely be stricter than usually is. Thus, any fear about flying in those planes are unjustified.
After Boeing made a dangerously faulty plane, Boeing wrongly tried to blame pilots for the first crash, and Boeing wrongly tried to blame pilots for the second crash, the fixed plane will surely be the safest plane in the sky.
You know what they say, lightning often strikes the same place three times, but never a fourth time. :)
Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change
#53Do passengers have a right to refuse to fly on the 737 "max"?
Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it appropriate to call this fearmongering when the issues are real (for the 737)?
Yes. I think it is appropriate to call this fearmongering. The planes with the faulty software are grounded and won't be flying until they new software is proven to be safe. The re-certification process will likely be stricter than usually is. Thus, any fear about flying in those planes are unjustified.
I wouldn't called this unjustified. The issue with the plane isn't just the software but the processes around its inception and certification.
"hey we released a new version of the software" is clearly not enough to gain back my trust. The only way this plane can be consider safe is for the whole plane to go through an external and independent audit to address all the other potential design flaws. The FTA certification processes should go through an external audit as well, any of the flaws should be addressed and retrospectively applied to this plane (and any other plane concerned).
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#55On the one hand, I personally feel that trying to avoid the Maxes specifically, once they are allowed back in service, would be an excess of caution that overemphasizes the legacy of one issue. On the other hand, could they have found a better way of sending the message that they think the problem is passenger perceptions, rather than in systems engineering and adequate pilot training?
It's not an excess of caution, and it isn't one issue. This whole debacle has shown that safety is not a priority at Boeing at all, with misstep after misstep; we've only scratched the surface of the cancer running deep within this company. Remember, when the first plane crashed, they tried to blame the pilots. Then the second plane crashed, and they continued to insist it was safe. All the other nations' air safety…
I personally would not worry if my next flight is Boeing 737 max, the probability it will crash still very low, even if it do crash, I will be dead anyway it won't matter.
Doesn't mean I trust Boeing, I trust market force, I trust that other people will keep the uproar to keep airline in check.
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#56> Photos have emerged of a repainted 737 Max in Ryanair colours outside Boeing’s manufacturing hub, with the name 737 Max replaced by 737-8200 on the nose. Now I'm worried about boarding any 737
Same here. If this happens, and my company is forcing me to business travel, I'm refusing to travel unless I'm put on an Airbus.
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#57This is disgusting misdirection and frankly feels fraudulent to me. The definition of fraud is as follows: Wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain. What Boeing is doing meets that definition of fraud if you ask me.
It's not fraud to drop a toxic brand name. It's been designated the 737-8200 internally and in regulator documents for years.
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#58Maybe Boeing and Ryanair should change their names as well ...
Ryanair never flew 737 MAX commercially yet.
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#59Do passengers have a right to refuse to fly on the 737 "max"?
yeah, don't buy that ticket.
in ryan's case, its fleet is 100% 737, so you need to switch airlines to be sure you're not on a MAX unless they tell you somewhere.
Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes. I think it is appropriate to call this fearmongering. The planes with the faulty software are grounded and won't be flying until they new software is proven to be safe. The re-certification process will likely be stricter than usually is. Thus, any fear about flying in those planes are unjustified.
After Boeing made a dangerously faulty plane, Boeing wrongly tried to blame pilots for the first crash, and Boeing wrongly tried to blame pilots for the second crash, the fixed plane will surely be the safest plane in the sky. You know what they say, lightning often strikes the same place three times, but never a fourth time. :)
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