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To Break Google’s Monopoly on Search, Make Its Index Public

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Re: To Break Google’s Monopoly on Search, Make Its Index Public

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"DuckDuckGo, which aggregates information obtained from 400 other non-Google sources, including its own modest crawler.)" I looked into it, and it seems DDG is using Bing and Yahoo search API and lots of other sources. I looked into the pricing of Yahoo's search API / Bing search API,it ranges from $0.80 / 1000 queries to several dollars per thousand queries. It seems to expensive to be economically viable with ads,…

They've negotiated a lower rate?

Re: To Break Google’s Monopoly on Search, Make Its Index Public

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because “Google” was a sensible name?

True but DuckDuckGo doesn’t roll off the tongue as easily. If they named it “Poodle” it’d probably get more traction as silly as it seems.

Or even just Duck[.com] - they own the domain..

Re: To Break Google’s Monopoly on Search, Make Its Index Public

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is actually very easy to do legislatively It would be easy to write a law, not to pass one. Generally speaking, when a law is unpredictably disruptive it becomes (a) difficult to pass and (b) time-consuming and costly to defend in court.

The difference in this case is that the usual defenders of private property rights and libertarianism feel as though Google is suppressing them, potentially removing the usual roadblock to this kind reform. This is a rare instance where anti-corporate leftists and dejected right wingers could actually do something substantive together. In most cases I would agree with you the defenders of private industry are pretty…

> the usual defenders of private property rights and libertarianism feel as though Google is suppressing them, potentially removing the usual roadblock to this kind reform

Potentially. It's still more difficult than the author's index proposal. No reason they can't be pursued in parallel.

Regarding a search-ad break-up, I'd guess there would be lots of wrangling over (and lobbying around) defining search and advertising. For example, is Amazon's product search tied to an advertising business, given it sells third parties' products?

Re: To Break Google’s Monopoly on Search, Make Its Index Public

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So although everyone likes to believe google is a monopoly it’s far from it. You have choices- bing, biadu , yandex, DuckDuckGo... there is also nothing about googles search position that prevents you from building a competitor. What we do have is peter thiel backing an administration that’s anti google, Russia, China that are anti google. Why? it’s a source of truth that challenges their lies. We also have an emergent anti ad - cult like backlash against personalized ads. So all of these factors combined and you get a lot of pressures mis information telling you google is evil. Additionally, karma , google led the charge against Microsoft with googles do no evil position against Microsoft- which did have an oem monopoly preventing others from competing. Anyways that is how I see it... so is google near to being a monopoly no I think they would need to be doing a lot worse things and there is room to compete and people should

Re: To Break Google’s Monopoly on Search, Make Its Index Public

#55
post #48

"DuckDuckGo, which aggregates information obtained from 400 other non-Google sources, including its own modest crawler.)" I looked into it, and it seems DDG is using Bing and Yahoo search API and lots of other sources. I looked into the pricing of Yahoo's search API / Bing search API,it ranges from $0.80 / 1000 queries to several dollars per thousand queries. It seems to expensive to be economically viable with ads,…

I see the duck crawler on my websites a fair bit now so chances are they're eliminating this expense, but even in 2015 the CEO said they were profitable (although this wasn't at the same scale as now) https://fortune.com/2015/10/09/duckduckgo-profitable/

Re: To Break Google’s Monopoly on Search, Make Its Index Public

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If DuckDuckGo can change their stupid name they will gain market share overnight.

I agree. I've given up recommending DuckDuckGo to non-technical friends/family because they always get distracted by the irritating name. I wish they would change it to "Duck.com".

"duck it" sounds a lot like another phrase.

Re: To Break Google’s Monopoly on Search, Make Its Index Public

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Many just call them duck or ddg now. They bought duck.com

Did they buy it recently? I recall Google owning it for a bit through an acquisition? Yeah it certainly would be nice if ddg rebranded and pushed duck as it's name.

Google gave it to them. The sceptic in me saw it as future evidence against being a search monopoly "we even helped our rival you guys"

Re: To Break Google’s Monopoly on Search, Make Its Index Public

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I don't personally think Google's 'index' becoming public would make a single bit of difference on its position as number one search engine (and therefore advertiser) on the internet, unless you expand that word to include all the algorithms and infrastructure around it.

Re: To Break Google’s Monopoly on Search, Make Its Index Public

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Bloomberg are obviously rather pro free-enterprise

Though, I'd say totally free enterprise alone doesn't actually work. It naturally leads to monopolies (as is pretty much the case with bloomberg terminals for example), and the law of the jungle in general. If that's the kind of society you want, then head to many 3rd world countries.

Re: To Break Google’s Monopoly on Search, Make Its Index Public

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post #10

I don’t want to break Google’s monopoly on search. Google’s search is fantastic. It’s their advertising business knowing too much about me I care about.

If you want Google search without tracking, you should try StartPage https://www.startpage.com/

How do they make money?
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