Earlier quoted context omitted.
Of course. Which is why many of the key members of the Autopilot team have recently left. https://bgr.com/2019/07/09/tesla-autopilot-team-elon-musk-sh...
How can you be so sure?
Just another Tesla short
VW invests $2.6B in self-driving startup Argo AI as part of Ford alliance
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Re: VW invests $2.6B in self-driving startup Argo AI as part of Ford alliance
#52Unrelated, but does anyone know how many electric cars have an autonomy of more than 700km, while also charging fully in less than one hour? Is that even possible with the current technology?
Most of the more expensive EVs come pretty close to that and seem to be competing on getting the numbers better there. E.g. I think Tesla is planning to break the 400 mile barrier pretty soon. 300 mile is pretty normal already. Most EVs charge pretty quickly to about 80%. 20 minutes to half an hour gets you plenty of range. Mostly EV owners don't charge to 100% unless they are at home or doing some overnight stop. I…
>I think most normal drivers on a cross country trip need bathroom breaks, lunch/snacks/drinks, leg stretching etc. every 2-3 hours. Great opportunity to plug in and recharge enough for another 2-3 hours.
Everytime I hear this I wonder if the people saying it have ever taken a road trip. Stopping every 2-3 hours for a half hour on a long road trip seems downright crazy to me.
This is beside the point that during the busy season of summer travel there are sometimes extensive lines at gas stations on popular routes. Imagine if every car took 15-45 minutes to fuel up?
Range anxiety is real. EVs are the ultimate commuting cars: known distance, charge at home over night. But for the immediate future, over long distance, gasoline cars are hard to beat.
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Someone in the year 1583: God I wish I could be alive 436 years from today to write a post in HN about self-driving cars :)
From a self driving car
> From a self driving car
Cue up the [0] Porsche 919 vid to show what a human can do in a car...
Re: VW invests $2.6B in self-driving startup Argo AI as part of Ford alliance
#54This is bizarre, I’m in non-car autonomy but I talk daily with car autonomy folks. Everyone has been expecting a consolidation of companies through acquisitions but drive.ai showed us that it’s probably not going to happen. At The Information mobility event last month one of the SoftBank fellas said that autonomous cars will be ‘won’ by those who can outspend everyone else. Looks like backing up billions with more bi…
I think the corporate types are assuming that throwing money and engineers at the problem is going to "win" it, but I'm not sure it will. Google has plenty of both of those things and they seem to be stalling at the moment, or the very least they're not confident enough to go out and claim the market for themselves. I think the engineers have been probably been wildly optimistic as usual, and the last 5% of car auton…
as another datapoint, I worked at GRASP lab and half of my classmates went Waymo, or some other self driving car company. They go there because of the calibur of co-workers, many of them do no believe self driving cars on residential roads is possible within the next 10 years. In fact, one of the robotics professors here (who is no stranger to PR hype) said: self driving cars with pedestrians on the roads is impossible
Most are optimistic about highway driving in California though.
Re: VW invests $2.6B in self-driving startup Argo AI as part of Ford alliance
#55"Argo AI’s focus remains on delivering a SAE Level 4-capable SDS to be applied for ridesharing and goods delivery services in dense urban areas." Perhaps naive question from an outsider to the AV world: what does "SAE Level 4-capable SDS" mean?
According to Elon [1] Tesla will have this by the end of 2020. At some point reality has to kick in or not? [1] https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-tesla-full-self-drivin...
That article misrepresents what Musk actually said. The actual conversation was more like: Q) When will you be able to fall asleep and let the car drive? A) Uh dunno maybe late 2020.
Even if you believe in Musk, he tends to run late so late 2020 seems optimistic. Assuming you are being safety conscious - some idiot will probably do it anyway and post to youtube.
It seems to me that self driving systems could do with an algorithmic breakthrough or two before they work satisfactorily. If you look at the Autonomy event video https://youtu.be/Ucp0TTmvqOE?t=6973 where Karpathy explains how the systems work, the Japanese Spaniel problem a couple of minutes in to that is the kind of thing that needs fixing.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is spanning multiple continents a good thing?
It provides awareness to differences in rules, signs and road markings which may help expand.
That's true, but adapting to those things later seems simpler than addressing the technical challenge of autonomous driving.
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2013/12/sae-levels-driving... It's a fairly high level of automation. One step below total automation. That is, the system controls all aspects of driving, but there are still situations where it will ask the human driver to take over. However, even if the human doesn't actually take over, the system can still handle it. It's basically capable of dealing with an odd situation, but it…
These definitions are rather vague. If the car is able to function even when noone responds to the request for intervention, how is that different from level five? Does it mean that it safely pulls over, where level 3 would just drop control of the vehicle in a dangerous scenario? Also, does level 5 entail general intelligence, in order to do things like follow the instructions of a traffic cop or parking attendant?
> Does it mean that it safely pulls over
Yes (or just stop - the idea is that it will not crash).
> general intelligence
Your examples would most likely be situations that would be trained for. I doubt that any system in the next few (5-50) years will be able to adopt to a completely new situation as well as a human.
Re: VW invests $2.6B in self-driving startup Argo AI as part of Ford alliance
#58Unrelated, but does anyone know how many electric cars have an autonomy of more than 700km, while also charging fully in less than one hour? Is that even possible with the current technology?
Most of the more expensive EVs come pretty close to that and seem to be competing on getting the numbers better there. E.g. I think Tesla is planning to break the 400 mile barrier pretty soon. 300 mile is pretty normal already. Most EVs charge pretty quickly to about 80%. 20 minutes to half an hour gets you plenty of range. Mostly EV owners don't charge to 100% unless they are at home or doing some overnight stop. I…
I think most normal drivers on a cross country trip need bathroom breaks, lunch/snacks/drinks, leg stretching etc. every 2-3 hours. Great opportunity to plug in and recharge enough for another 2-3 hours. Range anxiety is mostly irrational and mostly a non technical problem as your car probably has more endurance than you.
I agree with the rest of your post, but this is completely untrue. No one trying to do serious distance stops every 2-3 hours, and especially not for the 20 minutes for a Tesla 50% supercharge top up. Maybe 10 minutes every 3-4 hours is realistic.
Re: VW invests $2.6B in self-driving startup Argo AI as part of Ford alliance
#59Unrelated, but does anyone know how many electric cars have an autonomy of more than 700km, while also charging fully in less than one hour? Is that even possible with the current technology?
Most of the more expensive EVs come pretty close to that and seem to be competing on getting the numbers better there. E.g. I think Tesla is planning to break the 400 mile barrier pretty soon. 300 mile is pretty normal already. Most EVs charge pretty quickly to about 80%. 20 minutes to half an hour gets you plenty of range. Mostly EV owners don't charge to 100% unless they are at home or doing some overnight stop. I…
> I think most normal drivers on a cross country trip need bathroom breaks, lunch/snacks/drinks, leg stretching etc. every 2-3 hours.
I don't think this is true. I recently drove 12 hours to Austin, TX and I stopped only once to get gas after 6 hours. I don't really like to waste a bunch of time on stops when I have a destination in mind.
That said, I don't have a family or anything, so I could see how that changes when you have a couple children with you.
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
It provides awareness to differences in rules, signs and road markings which may help expand.
That's true, but adapting to those things later seems simpler than addressing the technical challenge of autonomous driving.
Some countries generates different technical challenges (i.e. absent lane markings (even in the summer) and snow in Quebec)