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Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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Post by wlesieutre »

hu3 wrote: post #22
docker_up wrote: post #9

I will never ever buy a MacBook Pro if they don't get rid of the TouchBar. The sheer arrogance of Apple to think they know better than their customers infuriates me. I only use a 2018 MacBook Pro because work supplied it, and because my 2015 MacBook battery was dying and the only option the IT department gave me was to upgrade to the 2018 model. I may simply go back to Windows at home if that's the case, and will use…

I'm still salty about the magsafe.

MagSafe was nice, but I'm a big fan of being able to use an industry standard $30 charger with 60W USB-C, 3x USB-A ports, and a removable charging cable.

Having to replace a whole $80 proprietary charging brick because the cable connection frayed was a pretty shitty deal.

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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Post by djur »

patejam wrote: post #12
jtdev wrote: post #4

It’s unfortunate that so many design decisions are made with little regard for the true utility of what’s being designed, of which the touch bar has essentially zero.

What utility did the previous bar have? Volume changing? Screen brightness? Those are better with the touchbar. Escape key for vim or whatever? Switch your caps lock with escape! You should have been doing that the whole time! The actual function keys? I don't use them enough to need them showing up all the time. And an extra key to get them up again is no big deal. I agree that the touch bar doesn't add a whole lot…

I already have caps lock set to control and have literally decades of muscle memory associated with that.

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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Post by hxegon »

rc_mob wrote: post #44
josho wrote: post #17

The Touch Bar was what finally pushed me over the edge to remap caps lock to escape. I'm shocked at how much I enjoy ESC being close to the home row (I'm not even a big vim user). For this change alone I am glad to have the Touch Bar.

How to do this?

System Preferences > Keyboard > Modifier Keys button on the bottom right

click the "Caps Lock" dropdown and set to escape

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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Post by tonyjstark »

jimmy_f wrote: post #14

Is the baseline MacBook Air sufficient for a CS major? I don’t want to spend extra for the pro.

I would say yes, of course there could be edge cases but I guess if you have to train some ML model you hopefully will have access to some machine with a proper graphics card. The average programming project will be handled just fine by an Air. (I did professional iOS-development on a 11-inch MacBook Air for a while)

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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Post by mplewis »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #28
docker_up wrote: post #9

I will never ever buy a MacBook Pro if they don't get rid of the TouchBar. The sheer arrogance of Apple to think they know better than their customers infuriates me. I only use a 2018 MacBook Pro because work supplied it, and because my 2015 MacBook battery was dying and the only option the IT department gave me was to upgrade to the 2018 model. I may simply go back to Windows at home if that's the case, and will use…

You won’t buy one, but you’ll use one daily to make a living. I was expecting a different conviction given your strong language. ;)

He only uses a 2018 MacBook Pro because work supplied it.

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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Post by lostmsu »

Eric_WVGG wrote: post #24

This thread is going to dissolve into a pile-up on the Touch Bar, so I wanna jump in front of this. Readers of this site are mostly “hackers,” however mutated or dumbed-down that term has become over the years, correct? Everyone here has their windows and spaces just so, a full complement of shortcuts and trackpad gestures, and if they're serious about the Macintosh tools like TextExpander. As standard as GUIs are, w…

Or... Just get a damn touchscreen and use existing tools

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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Post by [deleted] »

patejam wrote: post #20
jtdev wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know where to start... I hope you’re never in a position to design something that people have to use.

I'm legitimately curious. Please help me understand. Again, I don't see how its worth all the hassle and surely extra cost for Apple to push it, but really don't see how it's any worse than the previous bar.

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Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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Post by Someone1234 »

Eric_WVGG wrote: post #24

This thread is going to dissolve into a pile-up on the Touch Bar, so I wanna jump in front of this. Readers of this site are mostly “hackers,” however mutated or dumbed-down that term has become over the years, correct? Everyone here has their windows and spaces just so, a full complement of shortcuts and trackpad gestures, and if they're serious about the Macintosh tools like TextExpander. As standard as GUIs are, w…

I touch type therefore don't look at my hands while using a Mac. It doesn't matter how much I can hack/mod a screen I simply am not looking at, because it distracts from the screen I am looking at. I'd find a customizable "touch bar" below the dock I can use with my mouse more useful than where it is currently located.

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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Post by liveoneggs »

patejam wrote: post #20
jtdev wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know where to start... I hope you’re never in a position to design something that people have to use.

I'm legitimately curious. Please help me understand. Again, I don't see how its worth all the hassle and surely extra cost for Apple to push it, but really don't see how it's any worse than the previous bar.

http://worrydream.com/#!/ABriefRantOnTheFutureOfInteractionD...

Re: Apple kills the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro

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Post by futureastronaut »

iscrewyou wrote: post #42
hu3 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still salty about the magsafe.

Same. When I bought the MacBook, that was one of those things I noticed as “of course it makes sense. Why doesn’t everybody do this?” Then Apple went ahead and took an axe to it. This was truly an idiotic move. Don’t add usbc if you can’t find a way to make it MagSafe!

Opposite here, the magsafe was a constant nuisance, always disconnecting. I like being able to drag the cord with the laptop.
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