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Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

#51

Post by calcifer »

dijit wrote: post #15
cpach wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is it that you don’t like regarding CoC?

I wrote a blog post about it but it was used against me by an interviewer at riot games. So I unpublished it. Essentially it boils down to outlawing vague arrays of behaviour that can apply to essentially anyone and thus must be selectively enforced. I used examples from history surrounding vague laws and the implications that came from that (usually it’s the precursor to huge atrocities or totalitarian regimes. Alth…

> I wrote a blog post about it but it was used against me by an interviewer at riot games.

Honestly? That sounds like the system is working as intended. I'm not from the US, never been there, and I wouldn't want the author of such a post on my team either.

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

#52

Post by scythe »

klodolph wrote: post #48
lone_haxx0r wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not OP, but: > Harassment includes but is not limited to: Comments that reinforce systemic oppression related to gender, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, [...]. -- FreeBSD CoC Why even bring in the "systemic oppression" part? I can only assume that they'll be more lenient on disparaging comments that don't reinforce "systemic oppression", i.e. they'll apply "positive discrimination"…

> Why even bring in the "systemic oppression" part? Because systematic oppression is more of a systemic problem. Individual problems are easier to solve than systemic problems, i.e, you don’t need a code of conduct to solve a problem with one or two people in your association. If you make one disparaging comment to someone, we can hope that they take that one comment in stride and move on. If you make a disparaging c…

>you don’t need a code of conduct to solve a problem with one or two people in your association.

You absolutely need a code of conduct (laws) to solve a dispute between two people. That's the whole point of rules.

>If you make one disparaging comment to someone, we can hope that they take that one comment in stride and move on.

This isn't behavior that needs to be tolerated, especially not when the goal of the community is to write software.

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

#53

Post by somacert »

dijit wrote: post #2

I like openbsd. I like their attitude (even if many don’t) I like what they’ve given to the UNIX-likes, and what they strip away due to complexity (removal of Bluetooth) or lack of decent UX (wpa_supplicant), or just potential issues (removal of Hyperthreading) I know it’s probably controversial to mention it; but I’m also glad they didn’t buy into the code of conduct saga that waved over FreeBSD and eventually Linux…

Openbsd has a code of conduct. It's been there a while.

https://www.openbsd.org/mail.html

only half joking

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

#54

Post by YUMad »

calcifer wrote: post #51
dijit wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wrote a blog post about it but it was used against me by an interviewer at riot games. So I unpublished it. Essentially it boils down to outlawing vague arrays of behaviour that can apply to essentially anyone and thus must be selectively enforced. I used examples from history surrounding vague laws and the implications that came from that (usually it’s the precursor to huge atrocities or totalitarian regimes. Alth…

> I wrote a blog post about it but it was used against me by an interviewer at riot games. Honestly? That sounds like the system is working as intended. I'm not from the US, never been there, and I wouldn't want the author of such a post on my team either.

Been throwing any cement-filled cups lately?

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

#55

Post by wrycoder »

dijit wrote: post #2

I like openbsd. I like their attitude (even if many don’t) I like what they’ve given to the UNIX-likes, and what they strip away due to complexity (removal of Bluetooth) or lack of decent UX (wpa_supplicant), or just potential issues (removal of Hyperthreading) I know it’s probably controversial to mention it; but I’m also glad they didn’t buy into the code of conduct saga that waved over FreeBSD and eventually Linux…

I don't think there are many who send €50/mo, kudos to you! Few of their corporate users give much back at all.

I used OpenBSD as my workstation a decade ago and also ran it on a firewall box. However, upgrading the system every six months is tedious: basically, you manually download the files, overwrite the kernel and userland core, and then do a three way merge of /etc. Plus there's a bit of manual work required to deleted unused files and account for moved files:

https://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade65.html

After that, you still have to upgrade the ports tree (which has gotten easier).

Note that skipping upgrades is not supported.

Security updates between the six month upgrades are handled by monitoring the security list and downloading and applying patches as instructed.

If you are running a bunch of identical servers professionally, it's not much of a burden, but it is if you are upgrading one workstation and a firewall box. I got tight on time and went back to Debian/apt.

Does anyone here know how to do this more efficiently?

(It is a really nice system, and the man pages are superb.)

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

#56

Post by [deleted] »

calcifer wrote: post #51
dijit wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wrote a blog post about it but it was used against me by an interviewer at riot games. So I unpublished it. Essentially it boils down to outlawing vague arrays of behaviour that can apply to essentially anyone and thus must be selectively enforced. I used examples from history surrounding vague laws and the implications that came from that (usually it’s the precursor to huge atrocities or totalitarian regimes. Alth…

> I wrote a blog post about it but it was used against me by an interviewer at riot games. Honestly? That sounds like the system is working as intended. I'm not from the US, never been there, and I wouldn't want the author of such a post on my team either.

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Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

#57

Post by _x5tx »

sogubsys wrote: post #25
_x5tx wrote: post #13

I tried openbsd in my thinkpad x220. IDK if the processor only make a huge difference (mine being core i3 2.1ghz), but what I saw was a slow system experience, opening firefox for the first time (after boot) took a decade. I would experience slugishness everytime I closed a tab. And I was using cwm which is supposed to be even more lightweight than xfce4. I'm upgrading my motherboard to have the same processor as the…

I wish I knew more about the specifics of the hardware differences. Thinkpads are new to me. I just discovered the Thinkpad subreddit several days ago, so accidental sub-community of old Thinkpad folks, but haven't dove into the details of hardware upgrades (like IPS screen!). I was looking for a cheap replacement to my Samsung R580, and found that T420 laptop online on eBay. It had good specs and was priced well (I…

These thinkpads are pretty good, and very easy to upgrade. I already changed my wifi card to support ac and I’m planning to flash coreboot bios. Last item in my checklist is to upgrade the display to full hd.

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

#58

Post by klodolph »

scythe wrote: post #52
klodolph wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why even bring in the "systemic oppression" part? Because systematic oppression is more of a systemic problem. Individual problems are easier to solve than systemic problems, i.e, you don’t need a code of conduct to solve a problem with one or two people in your association. If you make one disparaging comment to someone, we can hope that they take that one comment in stride and move on. If you make a disparaging c…

> you don’t need a code of conduct to solve a problem with one or two people in your association. You absolutely need a code of conduct (laws) to solve a dispute between two people. That's the whole point of rules. > If you make one disparaging comment to someone, we can hope that they take that one comment in stride and move on. This isn't behavior that needs to be tolerated, especially not when the goal of the comm…

> You absolutely need a code of conduct (laws) to solve a dispute between two people. That's the whole point of rules.

This is so counter to my experiences that I have difficulty responding. Have you really never resolved a conflict without appeal to rules? I find this hard to understand.

Rules exist only because systemic problems motivated their creation. You see a sign that says “no dogs” not because dogs aren’t allowed, but because of some systemic problem with dogs in the past. We shouldn’t invent additional rules to solve problems that may or may not exist. That way lies ridiculous bureaucracy.

For example, some organizations (non-profits, HOAs, etc) adopt parliamentary procedure for their meetings. Some don’t. The fact that an organization adopts parliamentary procedures tells you that the specific organization has had problems with people disrupting meetings in the past, or that people in the organization had that problem in other orgs.

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

#59

Post by YUMad »

lone_haxx0r wrote: post #14
cpach wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is it that you don’t like regarding CoC?

I'm not OP, but: > Harassment includes but is not limited to: Comments that reinforce systemic oppression related to gender, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, [...]. -- FreeBSD CoC Why even bring in the "systemic oppression" part? I can only assume that they'll be more lenient on disparaging comments that don't reinforce "systemic oppression", i.e. they'll apply "positive discrimination"…

Because 'systemic oppression' is a made up concept, just like 'Jesus'. And just like Jesus, it's a guilt-exploiting profit- and power-seeking concept.

Re: OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

#60

Post by bitwize »

dijit wrote: post #2

I like openbsd. I like their attitude (even if many don’t) I like what they’ve given to the UNIX-likes, and what they strip away due to complexity (removal of Bluetooth) or lack of decent UX (wpa_supplicant), or just potential issues (removal of Hyperthreading) I know it’s probably controversial to mention it; but I’m also glad they didn’t buy into the code of conduct saga that waved over FreeBSD and eventually Linux…

Projects without a code of conduct are either immature or led by reactionaries, and in either case have a much higher risk of toxicity. If you want to get something done in a communitarian fashion, implementing, clearly stating, and enforcing rules of conduct is an absolute must.
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