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Sperm-Donor Siblings: A Family Portrait

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well. You can hear my voice. I'm the child of a sperm donor. I didn't learn about it till I was 18... which was more than a bit strange. The emotions that come from the combination of society's familial expectations, your own complicated family, and just the general fact that it's nice to be alive is a really strange cocktail. But... I'm not sure resent is a word that I would ever use, even in my bizarre situation of…

Do you think things would have been different for you, if you knew about it since you were a child? I'm a 35 years old male that can't have kids. Not possible, say the doctors. I love children and me and my wife are considering using a sperm donor. Should all work as we hope, we are not sure how to approach exactly this situation of telling our child about it. At first I thought we should just keep it a secret, but t…

Well here's a story from a different point of view, not long after we'd had our kids my wife 'volunteered' me to lesbian friends (both doctors and lawyers were involved) - I've always been the known male donor, not a mystery, but emphatically not a parent, more like an uncle.

It's worked out really well for us, our kids got half siblings (again more like cousins), some extra sets of doting grandparents etc etc

As modern families shrink, with 1 or 2 kids we don't have as many relatives (it's a power series sort of thing) extended families shrink, we got to enlarge ours. Usually you only get one chance in life to choose who your relatives are, we found a second.

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My father was a sperm donor, back in the mid-fifties. I didn't know until I was in my thirties (in the eighties). In the past few years, via 23andMe, I've discovered three living half-siblings. I think it's been totally mind-blowing fun for all involved to discover each other. We all read the nyt article today. My bio-sister commented, "Yuh think we’d all look better if we were in the NYT?"

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Sperm banks should be outlawed. Please don't interpret that to mean that children -- people! -- conceived using that method are any less human. That would be an incorrect and grossly unjust reading of what I've written.

First of all, it introduces disorder into society. Family relations are thrown into chaos. Incest and inbreeding become bigger problems. Furthermore, half of the extended family disappear. You've only got the mother's family now. You deprive the child of her family network and a relationship with her father.

Second, it prioritizes the woman's desires over the child's good. The woman in question does this because she either can't find a husband or doesn't want to. She isn't adopting a child that already exists and needs a parent (better one than none). She's causing a new child to come into being because she wants it, full stop. Never mind the good of the child, that single motherhood is strongly correlated with various problems. Some would go so far as to say that the child is objectified in this way. You could say the same thing about the man who becomes nothing but a sperm machine. Mutual consent does not magically bless the act.

Third, it does not leverage sexual selection. Both sexes play a role here. Sexual selection tends to maximize health and favorable conditions for the child and contributes to a reproduction of those factors genetically and culturally. Sperm donation subverts this process.

Fourth, it strains and poisons relations between the sexes which exist, at least in part, for the reproduction of the species and subsequent formation of those children into mature adults. Until very recently, this was the overwhelmingly typical case across human civilizations and societies.

I do not think it is helpful to play the game of describing hard won traditional norms and relations, which characterize the typical case across human civilizations historically, as merely "conventional". It comes from a place of dismissive and frankly self-destructive hyperindividualism that waves away human nature as meaningless. Under the influence of influential yet unscientific and irrational ideologies, everything under the sun is increasingly described as a social construct. This is dangerous. It spreads falsehoods. It alienates man from himself and uncharitably enables delusions.

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The essay's author talks a little bit about how he and some of his half-siblings feel a sense of loss, or that something feels missing, or that they wished they had a father. But the essay never really touches on whether they _resent_ the fact that their parent or parents made the choice to have them conceived through artificial insemination from an anonymous donor. Obviously, if that hadn't happened, they wouldn't b…

Obviously, if that hadn't happened, they wouldn't be around to resent it The parent(s) could have used a non-anonymous donor. Perhaps that's just too awkward for many people.

I mean, as a severely autistic man, I would love to have a child from a non-anonymous woman but that doesn't seem possible so the only the option for me seems to be adoption. I can absolutely relate with woman who want to have children but cannot find a father. I sincerely hope their children will be loved and happy.

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Sperm banks should be outlawed. Please don't interpret that to mean that children -- people! -- conceived using that method are any less human. That would be an incorrect and grossly unjust reading of what I've written. First of all, it introduces disorder into society. Family relations are thrown into chaos. Incest and inbreeding become bigger problems. Furthermore, half of the extended family disappear. You've only…

as a person that gave birth to a child, married to a woman, no. stop.

i also see a lot of disgusting sexism in the assumption that men cannot be solo parents or be partnered to other men that both want to be parents.

you seem to know nothing about assisted reproduction and you should inform yourself and address your cisheterosexism before you speak again on this topic.

edit: i’m so infuriated i missed the part about adoption. if you haven’t experienced adoption from the perspective of solo parenting by choice, i assure you that the path to getting pregnant and carrying a child is usually drastically easier and cheaper. i cannot even _donate_ eggs/embryos without running into religious organizations that refuse to talk to me.

Re: Sperm-Donor Siblings: A Family Portrait

#59
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well. You can hear my voice. I'm the child of a sperm donor. I didn't learn about it till I was 18... which was more than a bit strange. The emotions that come from the combination of society's familial expectations, your own complicated family, and just the general fact that it's nice to be alive is a really strange cocktail. But... I'm not sure resent is a word that I would ever use, even in my bizarre situation of…

Do you think things would have been different for you, if you knew about it since you were a child? I'm a 35 years old male that can't have kids. Not possible, say the doctors. I love children and me and my wife are considering using a sperm donor. Should all work as we hope, we are not sure how to approach exactly this situation of telling our child about it. At first I thought we should just keep it a secret, but t…

speaking from a parent-donor perspective - i’m planning to donate some embryos created during ivf. (i have infertility issues.) i also am in a same sex marriage.

open identity donors, recipient families and children, and the studies behind identity release (or the lack thereof) all overwhelmingly point towards open donations as being a positive. anonymous only when you have no choice. a lot of groups out there exist - and books and more - that can help you navigate when to have the talk and how to have it.

as we are both biological parents to our children, i can’t tell you exactly how it goes, but we are surrounded by so many solo parents and queer parents that used donors and surrogates. everyone has a beautiful, loving family in their own right and these kids grow up normalizing this as part of themselves even from toddlerhood. there are struggles, but if you think parenthood is for you, then you should do it. good luck!

edit: just wanted to add, that some sperm banks are not made equal......... big ones like california cryobank and xytex tend to have much higher family limits and more restrictions than smaller progressive ones like sperm bank of california. if the idea of having 30 half-siblings is unbelievable - banks like sperm bank of ca have 10 family limits and track closely. you can help narrow things down for your future kids just with the bank (or program) you pick.

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Is it possible to buy sperm on your own? Do you need the approval of a doctor or some other third part entity to obtain sperm from a sperm bank?

yes. you just sign up with a sperm bank and cough up money.

for maximum protections (both directions) you will want to involve licensed medical professionals on the usage end. so you should have a doctor looped in for ICI/IUI/IVF etc.

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