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16-Inch MacBook Pro Said to Launch in September

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Re: 16-Inch MacBook Pro Said to Launch in September

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Post by mLuby »

Here's a revolutionary idea in case Sir Jony is reading:

Make it lighter and thicker.

Seriously, until it's as light as a phone I don't mind if they keep shaving weight off. But there's very little to be gained by going thinner:

1. I doubt ergonomics get much better as it approaches typing on a sheet of paper

2. the risk of bending increases

3. if it's not as thin they can fit more stuff in there more cheaply: better heat management, longer lasting batteries, faster processors/more memory, stronger antennas, etc.

Re: 16-Inch MacBook Pro Said to Launch in September

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Post by mleo »

binarymax wrote: post #26

I'd be curious to know if Apple collects telemetry on touchbar usage. I don't use it. At all. I have it frozen to only show the equivalent physical keys that used to be there (esc and the fn keys). Does anyone use the touchbar effectively and like it? What are the chances of Apple ditching it on some models?

I used to be the same. After 6 months of use and getting use to not accidentally hitting the touch bar I changed it back to the dynamic setting. That said, I still don't use it except for volume, which was part of the standard set of keys.

Re: 16-Inch MacBook Pro Said to Launch in September

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Post by asdkhadsj »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #44
asdkhadsj wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm actually switching back to Linux. Partially because of the issues you cite, I too love my 2015 MBP - where as I don't use my bigger 2017 MBP as a laptop (it's basically a desktop for me). The bigger issue for me though is price. I love my 2015 not only because the keyboard is great, but because the price was good (it's a cheaper model) . I can take it outside and not fear losing $2k-$4k. My bigger MBP is just ove…

> I want cheap and powerful.. and it just seems impossible to do that with Apple. My job relies on this laptop. I don't care if it's expensive, I want to buy reliability.

I agree. My desktop I want to be super powerful, but my laptop I need to travel. I don't like traveling with $4k worth of hardware in my backpack. I don't like setting $4k worth of hardware down on park benches or tables.

Worst of all, my 2017MBP has nothing for reliability. It's both expensive and unreliable. The keyboard is absolutely terrible. I never use that machine as a laptop because of how unusable and unreliable it is.

Part of reliability to me is affordability. If I take a laptop outside and it gets damaged, how quickly can I get it replaced, fixed, etc? If I have to spend $4k to replace it that's not an easy chunk of change. This is a way of saying price tags of Apple hardware can inhibit reliability, imo.

Re: 16-Inch MacBook Pro Said to Launch in September

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Post by lelf »

argd678 wrote: post #43
binarymax wrote: post #26

I'd be curious to know if Apple collects telemetry on touchbar usage. I don't use it. At all. I have it frozen to only show the equivalent physical keys that used to be there (esc and the fn keys). Does anyone use the touchbar effectively and like it? What are the chances of Apple ditching it on some models?

I do the same thing and would also really love to know who thinks it’s in any way good. I hit it all the time by accident and suddenly in the middle of typing iTunes pops up, or an IntelleJ config window, vi sort of works but amazingly the escape touch key isn’t always sensitive enough and I have to double tap it.

> really love to know who thinks it’s in any way good.

I think it’s good. Install BetterTouchTool (or analog) and the touchbar becomes infinitely-customisable multi-touch fn-keys row. The only missing thing is any tactile feedback (although BetterTouchTool can “simulate” it using touchpad’s linear motor).

Re: 16-Inch MacBook Pro Said to Launch in September

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Post by epaga »

binarymax wrote: post #26

I'd be curious to know if Apple collects telemetry on touchbar usage. I don't use it. At all. I have it frozen to only show the equivalent physical keys that used to be there (esc and the fn keys). Does anyone use the touchbar effectively and like it? What are the chances of Apple ditching it on some models?

I used to feel the same until I discovered BetterTouchTool which lets you completely customize it yourself, contextualized by app.

This made me actually really like it.

But the vanilla Touch Bar? Totally agree it’s pretty near useless or worse.

Re: 16-Inch MacBook Pro Said to Launch in September

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Post by IshKebab »

mackey wrote: post #6
geophile wrote: post #2

To be at all interesting, this would have to have a good keyboard (as in the 2015 MBP), and an optional touchbar.

For what its worth, I just picked up the latest gen and the keyboard seems like a real improvement in both feel and noise. The Touch Bar still sucks, but I am happy with the keyboard.

I tried a recent one and it's definitely better, but still not nearly as good as the old ones.

Re: 16-Inch MacBook Pro Said to Launch in September

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Post by spiderfarmer »

mLuby wrote: post #45
spiderfarmer wrote: post #9

It will hopefully contain a lot of features people asked for like a better keyboard, Face ID, more connectivity, etc. And just like the Mac Pro the starting price will probably be enormous, I wouldn't be surprised if the base model is $2.5K or more. And I wouldn't have problem with that at all. My 2015 Macbook Pro has been worth every penny. I used it every day and it's still going strong. Before I bought this MBP I…

People are asking for Face ID on laptops?! I have an EFF sticker over my 2015 MBPR's webcam thank you very much…

Yes they do.

Re: 16-Inch MacBook Pro Said to Launch in September

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Post by mistersquid »

binarymax wrote: post #26

I'd be curious to know if Apple collects telemetry on touchbar usage. I don't use it. At all. I have it frozen to only show the equivalent physical keys that used to be there (esc and the fn keys). Does anyone use the touchbar effectively and like it? What are the chances of Apple ditching it on some models?

I use the Touch Bar for volume control, brightness control, to select screen when VNCing to remote machine.

FN key reveals Function keys for me.

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