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Post by DVassallo »

dragonwriter wrote: post #36
DVassallo wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes: meat, fruit, vegetables, nuts... Quite a lot. It doesn’t have to be 50000 years. For example: I trust that drinking cow milk won’t kill me even though it hasn’t been common for long. Can’t say the same for GM food.

> Yes: meat, fruit, vegetables, nuts... Yes, but if you zoom out to categories that broad, GM food still fits within them. GM foods are not any less like foods eaten tens or hundreds of thousands of years ago than anything else we eat.

The same was said for meat-fed cows and trans fats. Turned out their consumption had fatal consequences.

Re: Impossible Burger: Commitment to consumers and our planet led us to use GM soy

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Post by tptacek »

DVassallo wrote: post #49
tptacek wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, that’s the cutoff? What about Brussels sprouts?

You think that the risk of consequential harm (say, death within 10 years) is the same for Brussels sprouts and GM foods? Haven’t we learned anything from mad cow and trans fats? Edit: The risk is reduced significantly after we’ve eaten something for a few generations. The problem is if we test something new on the global population before a local tribe tries it on themselves for a few generations.

What does mad cow have to do with GM? Ironically: the process that begat mad cow: also "natural".

Re: Impossible Burger: Commitment to consumers and our planet led us to use GM soy

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Post by fortran77 »

samcat116 wrote: post #27
kybishop wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a celiac, I certainly don't. Even for those that aren't celiac, making the claim that gluten is healthy is dubious at best. I'd also imagine there are many more celiacs out there than those with soy allergies.

This. Gluten allergies or intolerance seem to be on the rise. Probably makes sense to exclude it if they wanna be the future of food.

Celiac Disease is not an allergy.

Re: Impossible Burger: Commitment to consumers and our planet led us to use GM soy

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Post by ex3ndr »

DVassallo wrote: post #46
dragonwriter wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Those foods can be assumed safe because, by definition, they have been eaten by humans for hundreds of thousands of years Even prior to GM foods, humans have been engineering food to change it's traits for longer than civilization, and essentially everything humans eat today is a product of such engineering. GM foods differ systematically from other forms fo engineering only on the degree of precision and control p…

They did it in local tribes. If the experiment proved harmful, the impact was local. In this case, the impact could be global. Big difference.

I have made some research and problem with risks of feeding animals to other animals is a much different problem than prion diseases. Eating other animals is the key factor for transmission of prions, not producing them. Misfolded prion can be formed anywhere. Just not feeding animals to animals won't prevent it, it will reduce impact. But that was true for millions of years, whats different here?

Re: Impossible Burger: Commitment to consumers and our planet led us to use GM soy

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Post by aidenn0 »

hedora wrote: post #20
untog wrote: post #3

Good. Anti-GM crusades are a load of anti-science nonsense, and if you're serious about replacing a percentage of America's meat intake (as Impossible seems to be) then it only makes sense to make the most of GM crops to get you there.

They’re doing this so they can irresponsibly dump roundup on the soy plants without killing them. Roundup is a non-specific herbicide, so this will damage the environment near the farms. Also, Roundup is almost certainly a carcinogen, and impossible burgers already have higher levels than competitors. I definitely won’t be buying any more of their product. Edit: Fun reading: https://www.regulations.gov/contentStreame…

Feed stocks for cows are also grown this way and cows eat a lot of food.

As an aside, elsewhere someone linked an article showing that the glyphosate in an impossible burger was on the order of 11ppb or 100x lower than is considered safe.

Re: Impossible Burger: Commitment to consumers and our planet led us to use GM soy

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Post by DVassallo »

tptacek wrote: post #52
DVassallo wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think that the risk of consequential harm (say, death within 10 years) is the same for Brussels sprouts and GM foods? Haven’t we learned anything from mad cow and trans fats? Edit: The risk is reduced significantly after we’ve eaten something for a few generations. The problem is if we test something new on the global population before a local tribe tries it on themselves for a few generations.

What does mad cow have to do with GM? Ironically: the process that begat mad cow: also "natural".

Eating meat-fed cows is not natural. Eating trans fats is not natural. Eating GM foods is not natural. The first two proved to have catastrophic harm. Why are we confident GM foods are safe?

We’re treating no evidence of harm as evidence of no harm. And we’re doing it on a global scale.

Re: Impossible Burger: Commitment to consumers and our planet led us to use GM soy

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Post by mrbtc »

OP here.

This post quickly made the front page of HN, but after just a few hours, has now disappeared and doesn't appear anywhere when you page through hundreds of top stories.

Could this be censorship requested by investors, related to YCombinator? Does this sometimes happen?

https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/impossible-foods#sec...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-impossible-foods-fundrais...

Re: Impossible Burger: Commitment to consumers and our planet led us to use GM soy

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Post by NeedMoreTea »

mrbtc wrote: post #58

OP here. This post quickly made the front page of HN, but after just a few hours, has now disappeared and doesn't appear anywhere when you page through hundreds of top stories. Could this be censorship requested by investors, related to YCombinator? Does this sometimes happen? https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/impossible-foods#sec... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-impossible-foods-fundrais...

Just guessing.

56 comments, 39 points.

Not always true, but more comments than points is often an indicator that the spam protection will trigger. Which it sounds like it did here. So got weighted off the front page.

Re: Impossible Burger: Commitment to consumers and our planet led us to use GM soy

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Post by mrbtc »

NeedMoreTea wrote: post #59
mrbtc wrote: post #58

OP here. This post quickly made the front page of HN, but after just a few hours, has now disappeared and doesn't appear anywhere when you page through hundreds of top stories. Could this be censorship requested by investors, related to YCombinator? Does this sometimes happen? https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/impossible-foods#sec... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-impossible-foods-fundrais...

Just guessing. 56 comments, 39 points. Not always true, but more comments than points is often an indicator that the spam protection will trigger. Which it sounds like it did here. So got weighted off the front page.

Thanks, good to know. Hopefully its just that and a moderator can check in at some point.
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