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Re: Lenovo Shipping Ubuntu Linux on 2019 ThinkPad

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Post by ascii_only »

pedrocr wrote: post #42
josteink wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You can't update the bios through Linux, the update tool is windows only. They offer ISO-images for these updates too. You can also create a USB-bootable version from these using the geteltorito tool (which is available via apt). https://workaround.org/article/updating-the-bios-on-lenovo-l... Edit: > OK, so all these problems are all due to my specific situation (running dual boot Why are you using GRUB to dual-boo…

I've done that in the past but apparently now there's even native support for updates from Linux: https://fwupd.org/lvfs/devicelist

And if you use stock Ubuntu with GNOME it should be preinstalled and your updates should appear in Software Center

Re: Lenovo Shipping Ubuntu Linux on 2019 ThinkPad

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Post by baybal2 »

dimitar wrote: post #22
_Donny wrote: post #10

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It has always amazed me that North Korea is able to create an OS like Red Star. I assume it takes a lot of knowledge and skill to stitch together such an OS, with fairly "unique" spying features not really seen in other distros. Considering the limited access to the internet and not being able to ask StackOverflow users, how can they even manage building such a complex piece of software?

Well they have nukes, so a Linux distro shouldn't be too hard.

I would've reversed that statement.

Re: Lenovo Shipping Ubuntu Linux on 2019 ThinkPad

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Post by josteink »

lucb1e wrote: post #19
paulcarroty wrote: post #12

Lenovo caught for unremovable crapware in BIOS, so I don't recommend to buy their products anymore. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/12/lenovo_firmware_nas...

I was wondering what "crapware in BIOS" is, it turns out to be software in the UEFI/BIOS system that installs software in your Windows install. I doubt I'll be affected as a Linux user. And it's a little short sighted to go "they did something wrong in 2015 on Windows, let's just exclude one of the vendors shipping Linux because there are so many others already".

It was a shit move of Lenovo, but yes, it affected Windows-users only, and after public outcry they immediately reversed and removed it.

Holding grudges about this in 2019 as a Linux-user seems very misguided, or worse, uninformed.

Re: Lenovo Shipping Ubuntu Linux on 2019 ThinkPad

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Post by baybal2 »

meruru wrote: post #9
TkTech wrote: post #8

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China has used its own FreeBSD (kylin) and then ubuntu-based (neokylin) since 2001. Nearly half of all laptops are sold with it. Likewise, North Korea has Red Star since 2008 which is mandatory or risk forced labor. While kylin isn't too far off from a traditional distro, officers will force you to install rootkits on both desktop/laptops and phones (JingWang). If you're caught later with it missing you will most lik…

It is my impression that despite initiatives like Kylin and Deepin, most of China is still on Windows. Am I wrong? They adopting Linux would mean their hardware would work with it and developers targeting the Chinese market would have to make their programs work on Linux. That's all I'm hoping for.

WinXP is pretty much is a "national OS" by default.

Loaded to the top with antiviruses and other crapware to keep it running.

Why XP? Too much hardware comes with XP only drivers. Too much important stuff like tax/bank software was written decades ago for XP, and never ported to never OSes because developers moved on years ago.

Re: Lenovo Shipping Ubuntu Linux on 2019 ThinkPad

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Post by LeonM »

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #48
lower wrote: post #45

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> You can't update the bios through Linux, the update tool is windows only. I run Fedora on a T480s and BIOS updates come automatically through the software update channel (in fact, the frequency of BIOS updates is a little annoying).

Same for me on a Dell XPS 15. Strange that it wouldn't work on another flagship model such as the X1.

I think it's due to modern stuff such as UEFI and the TPM.

There are hacks you can do to flash the BIOS from Linux though, but I always fear bricking my laptop, so I prefer to use the OEM tool.

Re: Lenovo Shipping Ubuntu Linux on 2019 ThinkPad

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Post by LeonM »

zapnuk wrote: post #50
LeonM wrote: post #35

I own an 4K X1-extreme, which is basically the P1 without the Quadro card and Xeon/ECC option. I run Ubuntu 19.04 on it and have so many problems. - Grub has ridiculous performance issues on 4K screens, it renders at less than 1 fps, making it a real pain to do anything in it. - You can't update the bios through Linux, the update tool is windows only. - The Lenovo TB3 dock never works properly. - The dual GPU situati…

I own an t490, also with ubuntu 19.04+gnome + dual boot. I consider my problems are more basic than yours, and more hardware related. - Under linux, the power management is VERY bad. I'm honestly starteled how it can be so bad. I loose 10-13% overnight while in 'deep sleep', compared to only 3% with 7.5 yo MBA. I get 5-6.5 hours of battery life. Less than the 2011 MBA. With windows it it much better - almost on par w…

> I hope Apple finally fixes the Keyboard+durability issues with their next MBP iteration. Personally, I came to think that the 500$ Apple tax is worth it compared to all the (software) convenience + (hardware) quality that they offer.

I agree, I bought the X1-e as the replacement of my rMBP because I just couldn't live with the keyboard and the touchbar of the new MBP. But the experience of the X1 didn't live up to it's expectations, mostly on the software side.

Don't get met wrong though, the X1 is a great piece of hardware. The keyboard is awesome and I really like upgradability. But the experience on Windows (or Linux for that matter) is just not so good. A macbook is just more polished, and that is coming from someone who generally doesn't like Apple products.

In the end, this is a work laptop for me, and I just want stuff to work. And for that, the $500 Apple tax is worth it.

Re: Lenovo Shipping Ubuntu Linux on 2019 ThinkPad

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Post by jason_slack »

I'm running 18.04.2 on a Thinkpad L460 (32gb RAM, SSD). It's an older laptop. I always get nervous to upgrade because it seems everything works with the L460. Wifi, Dock, wired etc, trackpad, etc. It has mad me return to Linus for day-to-day work again. I don't want to loose this feeling.

Re: Lenovo Shipping Ubuntu Linux on 2019 ThinkPad

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Post by LeonM »

josteink wrote: post #40
LeonM wrote: post #35

I own an 4K X1-extreme, which is basically the P1 without the Quadro card and Xeon/ECC option. I run Ubuntu 19.04 on it and have so many problems. - Grub has ridiculous performance issues on 4K screens, it renders at less than 1 fps, making it a real pain to do anything in it. - You can't update the bios through Linux, the update tool is windows only. - The Lenovo TB3 dock never works properly. - The dual GPU situati…

> You can't update the bios through Linux, the update tool is windows only. They offer ISO-images for these updates too. You can also create a USB-bootable version from these using the geteltorito tool (which is available via apt). https://workaround.org/article/updating-the-bios-on-lenovo-l... Edit: > OK, so all these problems are all due to my specific situation (running dual boot Why are you using GRUB to dual-boo…

> Why are you using GRUB to dual-boot at all? Your machine has UEFI for that.

As far as I know, dual booting through UEFI requires me frantically hitting the F12 button during powerup to get into the boot menu. And then it won't remember your last chosen OS, so stuff like windows updates (requiring multiple reboots) become really annoying.

But I'll look into this, maybe I can just ditch grub all together, that would be great! My last linux/grub experience was on non-UEFI machines so I was just so used to installing grub that it didn't cross my mind that I might not need it.

Re: Lenovo Shipping Ubuntu Linux on 2019 ThinkPad

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Post by sametmax »

meruru wrote: post #28
sametmax wrote: post #15

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My mother can't. You need a skilled, trained and informed team of technicians to do so. In a dictature killing access to culture and education, it not weird to assume it is hard to breed those so you have a limited pool. So yes, I understand the surprise. Which means NK has some resources we don't include in the picture.

One nerd is pretty much all it takes.

Certainly not. Creation, customization, maintenance and deployement at the scale of one country is a huge task.
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