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Re: Blood sugar patterns to master as a type 2 diabetic

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Post by woodandsteel » Sun, Jun 16, 2019, 11:16 PM UTC

kszxgz wrote: post #4

Medicalidiot wrote: post #2

One of the most important parts of diet we fail to educate the public on is glycemic index vs glycemic load. Index is essentially the raw score for how drastically a particular food will raise blood sugar. Glycemic load looks at the totality of what one eats then predicts what the effect of one's blood sugar will be. For example eating sugar with fat will spike blood sugar less than simply eating sugar. Further readi…

Glycemic Load = GI * carbohydrates (g) ÷ 100. Accordingly, the GL in the example would only decrease if fat replaced some of the sugar. GL does not consider the totality of food intake but can be calculated for individual foods. ( https://www.gisymbol.com/what-about-glycemic-load/ ) What you are referring to may be the glycemic response, which, apart from GL, also depends on the intake of fat and protein among other…

Agreed. What glycemic load gets at is the concentration of carbohydrates. So for instance, watermellon has a high glycemic index because it has a form of carbohydrate that moves quickly into the blood stream. But it doesn't spike your blood sugar hardly because there is so little total carbohydrate.

Re: Blood sugar patterns to master as a type 2 diabetic

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Post by tagh » Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 1:57 AM UTC

Medicalidiot wrote: post #2

One of the most important parts of diet we fail to educate the public on is glycemic index vs glycemic load. Index is essentially the raw score for how drastically a particular food will raise blood sugar. Glycemic load looks at the totality of what one eats then predicts what the effect of one's blood sugar will be. For example eating sugar with fat will spike blood sugar less than simply eating sugar. Further readi…

I think a bigger issue is that GI is only defined over 2 hours after eating. The four-hour GI is always higher and a much better indicator of high blood sugar exposure (due to eating that food).

After all, pizza is low GI if you only measure it over 2 hours.

Re: Blood sugar patterns to master as a type 2 diabetic

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Post by tagh » Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 2:11 AM UTC

Hendrikto wrote: post #22

trevyn wrote: post #15

I’ve heard that cutting out nearly all carbohydrates from the diet basically causes permanent remission of type 2 diabetes. Is this true?

If you don‘t eat carbohydrates, you don‘t need insulin, so it is no disadvantage that you cannot produce it. Calling that a remission is far fetched though.

You still need insulin to digest protein and for general living throughout the day, even when fasting. It'd be more accurate to say "if you don't eat carbohydrate, you need less insulin, so your insulin requirements may be met by your (degraded) pancreatic output."

On remission: if your Type II diabetes is in the early stages, and is largely due to lifestyle, then a lower carbohydrate diet could help you lose weight and improve insulin sensitivity. If your insulin sensitivity reaches the point where your pancreas' produced insulin is adequate (even for high-carb meals), then you've beaten the disease. This is the remission they speak about.

Re: Blood sugar patterns to master as a type 2 diabetic

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Post by rev12 » Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 2:46 AM UTC

Dude looks pretty damn thin for a T2D. Yes, thin people can get T2D but it's not common. Hope he had his antibodies checked.

Re: Blood sugar patterns to master as a type 2 diabetic

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Post by cco » Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 2:49 AM UTC

k__ wrote: post #31

jdietrich wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm no fan of fad diets, but a lot of Westerners have a real problem with simply not knowing what hunger feels like . A lot of people are so habituated to large portions and frequent snacking that they're never meaningfully hungry, just somewhere on the spectrum between "reasonably sated" and "physically incapable of ingesting another morsel". Their eating habits have fundamentally broken the connection between food…

For overweight and obese people it probably makes sense, but for the rest? I can't comprehend what benefit it should have "to know real hunger" if you're a perfectly healty human specimen.

Why would you consider changing what you're doing if you are healthy? I don't think your comment makes sense.

Re: Blood sugar patterns to master as a type 2 diabetic

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Post by msiyer » Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 7:51 AM UTC

dhimes wrote: post #30

msiyer wrote: post #18

Type 2 diabetes is reversible. Avoiding oil, animal fats and sugar will show instant results. For better results raw fruits and vegetables are great. I have seen diabetes reverse in my mother's case. Edit: The geniuses downvoting should explain the reason.

Not downvoting, but not everybody can reverse it. For some it's linked to obesity and such, but others have a perfectly healthy body weight and still have diabetes. There seems to be quite a bit of individual variation.

>>Not downvoting, but not everybody can reverse it.

I am OK with people downvoting as long as they reason it out. Here in HN, people are not willing to accept that changing food habits can reverse most lifestyle disease.

There are two types - Type 1 and Type 2. Type 1, where pancreas do not produce enough insulin, is not reversible as per current understanding. Type 2 is reversible, at least up to a point (maybe, a few decades).

>>For some it's linked to obesity and such, but others have a perfectly healthy body weight and still have diabetes.

Yes, this is true. Cells become inefficient in processing sugars and blood glucose levels may spike. This can happen in lean people and obese.

Re: Blood sugar patterns to master as a type 2 diabetic

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Post by msiyer » Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 7:53 AM UTC

Hendrikto wrote: post #23

msiyer wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not confused. Fast food is bad because it contains excess amounts of oils and animal fats and a lot many other things. Oils are bad. They are especially bad after heat is applied to them.

> Oils are bad. Oversimplified blanket statements are bad.

Can you please try cutting out oil from your diet for 2 weeks? You will see what I mean.

Re: Blood sugar patterns to master as a type 2 diabetic

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Post by audiometry » Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 11:07 AM UTC

will_brown wrote: post #37

thrway190616 wrote: post #17

I have a question in case there are any experts here. What is the mechanism of this: >On the other hand, high-intensity, short-duration exercise (like weightlifting, sprinting, and rock climbing) will spike your blood sugar temporarily, but keep your blood sugar lower overall for a period of time afterward: What exactly happens here, in as much detail as someone could reply. (For the first part, "spike your blood sug…

There are two types of exercise aerobic and anaerobic. Aerobic is easy exercise (walking, jogging, etc...) where the body can supply enough oxygen to oxidize glucose to convert to energy. During Anaerobic or high intensity exercise the body can not supply enough oxygen, so a bunch of things happen including: 1.) the body begins needing to rely on lactic acid for energy instead of oxygen/glucose, and 2.) while the lac…

I measure blood ketones and glucose. After heavy weight training (10-15 reps total of between 85-92% max), invariably my blood sugar is higher and ketones lower. This seems to be a standard response. I wouldn’t say I feel lactic acid after powerlifting, but I am generally beat a bit. I generally stay in ketosis.

Re: Blood sugar patterns to master as a type 2 diabetic

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Post by funnybeam » Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 12:08 PM UTC

will_brown wrote: post #37

thrway190616 wrote: post #17

I have a question in case there are any experts here. What is the mechanism of this: >On the other hand, high-intensity, short-duration exercise (like weightlifting, sprinting, and rock climbing) will spike your blood sugar temporarily, but keep your blood sugar lower overall for a period of time afterward: What exactly happens here, in as much detail as someone could reply. (For the first part, "spike your blood sug…

There are two types of exercise aerobic and anaerobic. Aerobic is easy exercise (walking, jogging, etc...) where the body can supply enough oxygen to oxidize glucose to convert to energy. During Anaerobic or high intensity exercise the body can not supply enough oxygen, so a bunch of things happen including: 1.) the body begins needing to rely on lactic acid for energy instead of oxygen/glucose, and 2.) while the lac…

Not sure this is correct.

My understanding is that anaerobic exercise uses glucose and stored glycogen to generate energy and produces lactic acid as a by product. Oxygen is not required for this process but its presence does make glycolysis more efficient and is needed to stop the lactic acid buildup

Aerobic is certainly not easy exercise. Your body is releasing stored glycogen from the liver and burning oxygen to clear out lactic acid and starting to break down fat reserves.

Short duration high intensity exercise actually uses Creatine phosphate stores in the muscles for energy but this is quickly exhausted

Re: Blood sugar patterns to master as a type 2 diabetic

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Post by will_brown » Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 3:55 PM UTC

funnybeam wrote: post #59

will_brown wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are two types of exercise aerobic and anaerobic. Aerobic is easy exercise (walking, jogging, etc...) where the body can supply enough oxygen to oxidize glucose to convert to energy. During Anaerobic or high intensity exercise the body can not supply enough oxygen, so a bunch of things happen including: 1.) the body begins needing to rely on lactic acid for energy instead of oxygen/glucose, and 2.) while the lac…

Not sure this is correct. My understanding is that anaerobic exercise uses glucose and stored glycogen to generate energy and produces lactic acid as a by product. Oxygen is not required for this process but its presence does make glycolysis more efficient and is needed to stop the lactic acid buildup Aerobic is certainly not easy exercise. Your body is releasing stored glycogen from the liver and burning oxygen to c…

It is correct, just look at the definitions of the terms.

You somehow have 3 types of exercise...aerobic, anaerobic and short duration/high intensity.

There is only aerobic and anaerobic (short duration/high intensity is anaerobic - high intensity is going to result in a build op of lactic acid which in turn will cause the burnout/short duration).

Anyway aerobic means “with oxygen” and anaerobic means “without oxygen.”