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Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Post by ianai »

cageface wrote: post #40
hartator wrote: post #6

I wonder how true this is. I have been trying to switch to a more carnivore diet - more red meat eg steak - for rumored benefits of lowering inflammation and boosting immune system. This is stating the reverse.

Animal protein is highly inflammatory. This is about the worst thing you can do if you are concerned about inflammation. Load up on fresh vegetables and fruits instead.

This has been my take away as well. There are plenty of these sorts of studies that don’t rule out meat, but show a clear damaging effect from red meat. Often, they mention leaving in a little serving of low fat meat. It’s probably more to leave people the option of some meat as opposed to making a more divisive statement. Meanwhile, cultures which start out with diets more whole foods, plant based and introduce the standard American diet see stark climbs in cardiovascular diseases, obesity, and the other ailments.

Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

me_me_me wrote: post #35
afpx wrote: post #24

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Processing foods is what likely helped Homo to get enough energy to evolve big brains. So, processing foods isn’t all that bad, and it may even be hard-wired in many of us. But, Humans tend to take things too far, and inventing new ways of processing is really fun! So, most food today is over-processed. It’s acceptable to grind, dice, tear, smash, smush, squeeze, ferment, spice, salt, and cook veggies, lightly. Any m…

I think that is slight miss-use of term processed food. Process food (at least to me) is anything that has been artificially adjusted by factory processing, like injecting meat with some solutions in order to 'make' more meat. I would hardly qualified lets say smoked bacon as processed food in that sense. But all of those microwave ready meals et al. large content of it is cheap filler masqueraded as actual product.

Here is the thing: I can make my own microwave-ready meals. I might put "cheap filler" in some things: beans and lentils and whatnot. It is still processed food, even if I'm not adding chemical additives or having food scientists add aromas and testing for peak yumminess. To that end, plain frozen peas are processed.

Smoked bacon is exactly the sort of thing they warn to eat sparingly because it is a highly processed food. It doesn't really matter that we've been making it for some time, it is still highly processed. I'd argue that most of it has added chemicals and things like the meat you describe upfront. Even without, the actual curing and smoking is what makes it more harmful.

Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Post by [deleted] »

Toine wrote: post #44
hartator wrote: post #6

I wonder how true this is. I have been trying to switch to a more carnivore diet - more red meat eg steak - for rumored benefits of lowering inflammation and boosting immune system. This is stating the reverse.

Wow, where did you hear that kind of advices ? Everywhere I look, I see meat, especially red meat, being demonized, and increasing inflammation.

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Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Post by gbear605 »

jsjolen wrote: post #42
lm28469 wrote: post #31

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It's all the additional steps and products added. A lot of processed meat are juste a slime of bones, skin, organs, ligaments whatever was left on the carcass of the animal. On top of that it comes from low quality (cheap) animals in the first place which doesn't help. It's like eating a fruit vs drinking a juice, or eating raw veggies vs a broth. The original material is the same but it doesn't mean it holds the sam…

I don't believe that this matters. Why would it? Offal has great nutritional value. The inuit did perfectly well on an all-meat diet. The issue is more likely curing with nitrites and smoking. >It's like eating a fruit vs drinking a juice Another thing that doesn't matter. What exactly do you think magically happens when you put an orange into a blender and mix with a bit of water that would make it lose its nutritio…

The issue with fruit juice is that they often remove the healthy but less tasty part, like the pulp of an orange or the skin of an apple

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Post by ShlomoS »

baxtr wrote: post #17
hartator wrote: post #6

I wonder how true this is. I have been trying to switch to a more carnivore diet - more red meat eg steak - for rumored benefits of lowering inflammation and boosting immune system. This is stating the reverse.

I found this site to be helpful: https://nutritionfacts.org

That site is run by a well known quack, and is full of misrepresented "evidence" and even outright lies. It used to be called the "vegan research institute" until he renamed it so it was less obvious as a propaganda outlet.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/death-as-a-foodborne-illnes...

Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Post by dabbledash »

coldtea wrote: post #28
paulluuk wrote: post #19

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You also cause way less suffering in the world, which is something I believe is very much worth striving for.

Animals eating other animals is natural evolutionary behavior. If carnivore animals had the same concerns and turned to tofu, they'd be dead. Let's concentrate of the suffering of our fellow human beings...

“Animals eating other animals is natural evolutionary behavior.”

Whether something is “natural” has no bearing on its goodness. And certainly plenty of the behaviors that cause human suffering are 100% natural.

“If carnivore animals has the same concerns and turned to tofu, they’d be dead.”

We’re not obligate carnivores so this is a non-sequitor.

“Let’s concentrate on the suffering of our fellow human beings...”

This is a fine conclusion that just doesn’t happen to follow from anything else you said.

Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Post by dao- »

paulluuk wrote: post #39
coldtea wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Animals eating other animals is natural evolutionary behavior. If carnivore animals had the same concerns and turned to tofu, they'd be dead. Let's concentrate of the suffering of our fellow human beings...

Humans are not carnivores, and lions don't have grocery stores. If ducks stopped raping other ducks, they'd go extinct too. Not really sure if that's an argument in favor of human rapists, though.

Lions have no concept of morality either. We should care about unnecessary suffering because we can.

Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Post by ianai »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #50
me_me_me wrote: post #35

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I think that is slight miss-use of term processed food. Process food (at least to me) is anything that has been artificially adjusted by factory processing, like injecting meat with some solutions in order to 'make' more meat. I would hardly qualified lets say smoked bacon as processed food in that sense. But all of those microwave ready meals et al. large content of it is cheap filler masqueraded as actual product.

It is not a mis-use. Bacon is absolutely a processed meat. “Microwave ready meals” are typically just pre-cooked meals prepared for reheating - they’re probably not the best meals in terms of ingredient quality or cooking methods, and low-quality ones might have some plant starches as filler, but most of them are pretty straightforward.

Anything prepared for the microwave like that is high in sodium. We’re talking over a days worth of sodium all at once. Very far from healthy.

Actually, most meat nowadays is injected with huge amounts of sodium. It’s like we’re all eating log term storage foods-even that raw meats.

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