With brew as the de-facto package manager for macOS this is a great move. Having Python and Ruby bundled with macOS is confusing when trying to install "regular" versions of the software through brew or other methods. Because the default installation can't updated without updating the OS, the system versions are not useful for most developers.
macOS deprecating scripting language runtimes, including Python, Ruby, and Perl
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Re: macOS deprecating scripting language runtimes, including Python, Ruby, and Perl
#52This has been a topic brought up internally at Apple many times over the past decade. Glad to see it finally moving forward. Although I see the benefits to having a system-version of these packages.. if you're doing anything serious for production then the environment should be containerized.
Python and pip just being there is a huge advantage for newbies. I really think that part of programming is constantly ignored because all the decision-makers are not newbies.
Learning how to install Python and Pip should be part of the learning process for newbies.
Re: macOS deprecating scripting language runtimes, including Python, Ruby, and Perl
#53Had to get rid of something to make way for those $1000 monitor stands.
Re: macOS deprecating scripting language runtimes, including Python, Ruby, and Perl
#54Oh, please remove them ASAP or include the most recent version of them.
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#55Fucking finally ! Between this and deprecating Bash [1], I'm glad macOS is dropping all these obsolete packages it's been including (Emacs soon?). Their antiquity mean they're more of a hindrance to proper development than help. Now, if they'd officially endorse one open-source packaging solution as an alternative, I'd be fully satisfied. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20090193
MacPorts has or had semi-official status. It was hosted by macOS Forge, which was an official Apple site that included other projects such as XQuartz. I'm unclear on the current status.
Its a shame MacPorts kind of died on the vine. It just seems so much cleaner and less hacky than Homebrew.
Re: macOS deprecating scripting language runtimes, including Python, Ruby, and Perl
#56This has been a topic brought up internally at Apple many times over the past decade. Glad to see it finally moving forward. Although I see the benefits to having a system-version of these packages.. if you're doing anything serious for production then the environment should be containerized.
Python and pip just being there is a huge advantage for newbies. I really think that part of programming is constantly ignored because all the decision-makers are not newbies.
AFAIK, macOS comes with Python 2.7 and without pip. For any serious, modern, Python development you need to install Python 3 yourself.
Re: macOS deprecating scripting language runtimes, including Python, Ruby, and Perl
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://brew.sh
Right... /usr/bin/ruby -e ...
Re: macOS deprecating scripting language runtimes, including Python, Ruby, and Perl
#58I don't understand why everyone is so excited about this. I don't like using brew. I use a Mac because things just work. It was annoying that the system versions were old, but most of the time they were still workable. To me, this is another (admittedly small) thing I liked about the Mac that's going away.
Re: macOS deprecating scripting language runtimes, including Python, Ruby, and Perl
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Python and pip just being there is a huge advantage for newbies. I really think that part of programming is constantly ignored because all the decision-makers are not newbies.
Learning how to install Python and Pip should be part of the learning process for newbies.
Installing the version you need when you want to run a script is arguably easier for newbies than all the error messages arising from an out of date implementation originally included with an OS.
it's not like installing python is any more complicated than any other piece of software that needs to be installed. Windows users have had no choice but to do that for decades.
Re: macOS deprecating scripting language runtimes, including Python, Ruby, and Perl
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Python and pip just being there is a huge advantage for newbies. I really think that part of programming is constantly ignored because all the decision-makers are not newbies.
Learning how to install Python and Pip should be part of the learning process for newbies.
Learning how to install and configure development environments is an important skill in general, but I'm not convinced having those skills as a prerequisite for exploring programming as a newbie is at all valuable.