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Re: YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views

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Post by luckylion » Wed, Jun 05, 2019, 4:38 PM UTC

okket wrote: post #22

warp_factor wrote: post #10

And here we go. As usual the "racist" pretext is being used to censor videos. I have no doubt that there are some terrible awful racist videos in that lot but you have to wonder how many times this is ALSO used as a mean to censor pretty much any video that the youtube execs don't like. Censorship is getting worse Edit: Replacing "Censorship is coming back" with "Censorship is getting worse"

No censorship. You are still free to create your own YouTube clone and publish your extreme political views there. Maybe call it "GabTube"?

> No censorship. You are still free to create your own YouTube clone and publish your extreme political views there.

With that line of argument, there is no possibility for censorship anywhere, ever. You can always create your own country someplace else.

Re: YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views

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Post by randyrand » Wed, Jun 05, 2019, 4:39 PM UTC

wnevets wrote: post #42

rukittenme wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because some people view free speech as more than a legal requirement. Its a philosophy of individual rights.

Why do you think you're right to free speech has anything to do with what you can say on someone else's property?

He just answered that.

It’s not only about it being our most important right. We also expect our communications platforms have morality, and criticize them when they do immoral things.

Many think belief in free speech is an important moral - doubly important for communications companies like Youtube/Google.

Re: YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views

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Post by Allvitende » Wed, Jun 05, 2019, 4:39 PM UTC

wnevets wrote: post #42

rukittenme wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because some people view free speech as more than a legal requirement. Its a philosophy of individual rights.

Why do you think you're right to free speech has anything to do with what you can say on someone else's property?

Why do you think it's right for you to tell someone what to do with their property?

Re: YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jun 05, 2019, 4:39 PM UTC

okket wrote: post #22

warp_factor wrote: post #10

And here we go. As usual the "racist" pretext is being used to censor videos. I have no doubt that there are some terrible awful racist videos in that lot but you have to wonder how many times this is ALSO used as a mean to censor pretty much any video that the youtube execs don't like. Censorship is getting worse Edit: Replacing "Censorship is coming back" with "Censorship is getting worse"

No censorship. You are still free to create your own YouTube clone and publish your extreme political views there. Maybe call it "GabTube"?

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Re: YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views

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Post by daenz » Wed, Jun 05, 2019, 4:39 PM UTC

okket wrote: post #22

warp_factor wrote: post #10

And here we go. As usual the "racist" pretext is being used to censor videos. I have no doubt that there are some terrible awful racist videos in that lot but you have to wonder how many times this is ALSO used as a mean to censor pretty much any video that the youtube execs don't like. Censorship is getting worse Edit: Replacing "Censorship is coming back" with "Censorship is getting worse"

No censorship. You are still free to create your own YouTube clone and publish your extreme political views there. Maybe call it "GabTube"?

GoDaddy banned the gab.com domain name from their registrar. What's next? "No censorship. You are still free to establish your own telecommunications infrastructure and publish your extreme political views there." ?

Re: YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views

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Post by toomuchtodo » Wed, Jun 05, 2019, 4:39 PM UTC

empath75 wrote: post #50

toomuchtodo wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me." A free society has costs, including tolerating speech you find deplorable. To support censorship because it aligns with your current political leanings makes you no different than the politics you take issue with. Will you complain if Google mass fires left leaning employees? It's entirely within their right to do. You could even start a competitor to…

This isn’t censorship full stop. What you are advocating for is forcing YouTube to carry content that it doesn’t want to. I also think it’s grotesque to quote an anti nazi poem in defense of nazis.

I fully and without compromise support the right to free speech of all citizens, including "nazis" or whatever the overloaded term people are using these days. Rights aren't removed from citizens because you don't like their politics or beliefs.

If you cheer when someone is deplatformed, remember that it is a short walk for your own ideas and beliefs to be deplatformed when the winds change.

Re: YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views

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Post by okket » Wed, Jun 05, 2019, 4:39 PM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #31

okket wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No censorship. You are still free to create your own YouTube clone and publish your extreme political views there. Maybe call it "GabTube"?

"Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me." A free society has costs, including tolerating speech you find deplorable. To support censorship because it aligns with your current political leanings makes you no different than the politics you take issue with. Will you complain if Google mass fires left leaning employees? It's entirely within their right to do. You could even start a competitor to…

It's totally ok to not tolerate the extreme intolerant in some places [1]. Again, no laws change, it is just a company telling to very extreme people: Not here. Please go outside.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance#Tolerance...

Re: YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views

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Post by anigbrowl » Wed, Jun 05, 2019, 4:39 PM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #31

okket wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No censorship. You are still free to create your own YouTube clone and publish your extreme political views there. Maybe call it "GabTube"?

"Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me." A free society has costs, including tolerating speech you find deplorable. To support censorship because it aligns with your current political leanings makes you no different than the politics you take issue with. Will you complain if Google mass fires left leaning employees? It's entirely within their right to do. You could even start a competitor to…

I don't have to tolerate speech from people who threaten my life or community. And I don't mean 'threaten' in the sense of holding an opinion I find disagreeable, I mean threaten as in making straightforward threats to life. That speech does not have to be tolerated.

Re: YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views

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Post by davidw » Wed, Jun 05, 2019, 4:39 PM UTC

nullbyte wrote: post #12

crankylinuxuser wrote: post #5

Note that it's not extreme views (like my adherence to the FSF). Nope, we're talking about "videos and channels that advocate for neo-Nazism, white supremacy and other bigoted ideologies". As much as I don't like censorship, views that advocate for extermination of other people can rightly fuck off.

YouTube gets to decide what a "bigoted ideology" is. That's a sweeping term that can be used as a catch-all for videos they don't like. I think that this will be bad for the platform overall -- an increase in censorship is never good.

If nazis are fundamental to the success of their platform, that's... a problem.

Re: YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views

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Post by warp_factor » Wed, Jun 05, 2019, 4:39 PM UTC

root_axis wrote: post #45

warp_factor wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

because it became the de facto place most of non tech-savy people go to to see videos online. They have a huge monopoly on our time and attention and that's extremely disturbing. Imagine that the electricity company providing electricity policed what kind of devices you can use inside your home (you are allowed to connect a Samsung washer but not a Bosh washer). There would be a lot of outcry.

> They have a huge monopoly on our time and attention and that's extremely disturbing. You mean that you willingly give them control over your time and attention.

the issue is not me or you but with the masses of people that don't know // don't care where they give their attention. And that's the huge majority unfortunately.