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Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

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Post by natalyarostova »

DocTomoe wrote: post #37
hubnditw wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huawei is closely associated with the Chinese government. The Chinese government threatens democracies and good people everywhere with its concentration camps. Did Europe forget its concentration camps?

> Huawei is closely associated with the Chinese government. ... and Google, Cisco, ... are closely associated with the American government ... > The Chinese government threatens democracies and good people everywhere with its concentration camps. As an European: Well, so does the United States. Turns out that being assholes to each others seems to be a human trait.

This false equivalence between China and the US and their modern human rights record is absurd.

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Post by briandear »

Waterluvian wrote: post #31
ci5er wrote: post #18

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Even if Huawei handsets in Europe are not a threat to national security, most consumers would expect them to be able to run Android, which Google can no longer sell them...

It's a great opportunity for the rest of the world to stop leaning on American companies and American technology. It would be wonderful for a European and/or an Asian alternative to Android to emerge.

What has stopped Europe from doing this already? What conditions in Europe have prevented more innovation when it comes to hardware and software development?

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Post by fishtacos »

vkou wrote: post #38

It's nice to see the government picking winners and losers in the market.

Precisely why it was important to make it illegal to do business which such an entity, Huawei. US business relies of trademark, patent, contract and license enforcement, which is where the government steps in.

The Chinese gov't doesn't abide by any of these rules, nor do they enforce them, and subsequently Chinese companies are run the same way. That's not even getting in the espionage and the links between Huawei and the CPC.

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Post by panpanna »

ekianjo wrote: post #23
d33 wrote: post #8

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This actually makes me wonder - what makes them unable to sell outside of Europe/USA? I heard of them being kicked out of SD/WiFi associations, but how does this affect them in China?

You need semiconductors to make smartphones. China is mainly doing assembly.

Nope, China went from assembly lines to owning the entire chain 5-10 years ago (not always by fair play, but still)

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Post by ulfw »

liquidise wrote: post #46

I believe the true loser in this is Google. If i am any non us, android-reliant phone manufacturer, i am planning my exit strategy. Sure it won't come today or this year, but it is vital for companies to start to distance themselves from google licensing for their own betterment.

Which US, android-reliant phone manufacturers are there?

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Post by DevX101 »

The long term impact of this Huawei dispute will be China building out a complete vertical communications/computing stack from low level chips to operating system to phone design. They won't get any market share in the U.S. but they'll dominate China (obv), India, Africa, and have some decent minority share in Europe.

The ban is great for U.S. companies in the short term that are behind on 5G, but this will harm U.S. tech industry interests in the long term once China has that vertical stack up and running.

I wish the U.S. government had used their power to push for some form of a mandatory and transparent security audit to ensure data privacy.

Re: Huawei reassesses goal to be world’s bestselling smartphone vendor

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Post by RobLach »

maratd wrote: post #42
DocTomoe wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Huawei is closely associated with the Chinese government. ... and Google, Cisco, ... are closely associated with the American government ... > The Chinese government threatens democracies and good people everywhere with its concentration camps. As an European: Well, so does the United States. Turns out that being assholes to each others seems to be a human trait.

The US has concentration camps? Do tell.

Very recently actually: https://www.npr.org/2018/06/19/621065383/what-we-know-family...

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Post by monocasa »

freeflight wrote: post #26
turtlegrids wrote: post #16

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20% of Five Eyes is in Europe. That's one good reason.

20% of Five Eyes, but the UK only represents 1 out of 28 countries in the EU which is 3.57%, yet they should dictate what everybody else does? edit: Why the downvotes? As an EU citizen, I'm directly affected by this, and I very much do not like the idea of the EU towing the Five Eyes line to further fascilitate US foreign policy interests. We very much would like to make our own decisions in our own interests and not…

The EU is built around veto powers and allowing a single country to dictate things that are very important to them.

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Post by raverbashing »

liquidise wrote: post #46

I believe the true loser in this is Google. If i am any non us, android-reliant phone manufacturer, i am planning my exit strategy. Sure it won't come today or this year, but it is vital for companies to start to distance themselves from google licensing for their own betterment.

The reason Google won is that manufacturers were completely incompetent in coming up with their own phone OSs either because of technical lack of capability or internal politics

MS could have had a chance, but they didn't have the vision and Android was the better choice (until now) to most manufacturers

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Post by briandear »

DocTomoe wrote: post #37
hubnditw wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huawei is closely associated with the Chinese government. The Chinese government threatens democracies and good people everywhere with its concentration camps. Did Europe forget its concentration camps?

> Huawei is closely associated with the Chinese government. ... and Google, Cisco, ... are closely associated with the American government ... > The Chinese government threatens democracies and good people everywhere with its concentration camps. As an European: Well, so does the United States. Turns out that being assholes to each others seems to be a human trait.

Putting people in re-education camps because of their ethnicity or religion isn’t the same as detaining illegal aliens. The US isn’t putting people in camps because of ethnicity or religion. Illegal aliens are in “camps” because they entered the US illegally. Drawing an equivalence between concentration camps (of the Nazi variety) and US immigration enforcement is ridiculous. If that difference can’t be discerned, then any intelligent debate is impossible. The immigration policy of the US is worthy of debate, but comparing the US to China or Nazi Germany is just nonsense.
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