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Re: Apple Plans End of iTunes

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Post by chrisseaton »

brians wrote: post #46
chrisseaton wrote: post #23

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Because despite what everyone thinks again and again, music is not hierarchical, as a file system is. Does my album go under the composer, the conductor, the orchestra or the soloist?

Hard links are going to blow your mind. https://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Hard-Link... Seriously, I had my MP3s organized this way pre-iTunes. I get why that can’t scale to the general public, but I still think a tool could approximate it.

> Hard links are going to blow your mind.

I know what hard links are.

> I get why that can’t scale to the general public

So why suggest it as a solution?

> pre-iTunes

So even you gave up on it?

Re: Apple Plans End of iTunes

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Post by reaperducer »

ergothus wrote: post #19
sethhochberg wrote: post #16

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I have a lot of friends who do literally all of their work out of their "Downloads" folder - I don't know how they survive that way, but they love music players which they can just point at a directory and say "index this and make a neat library" and know that everything lives in one place. Personally, I'm in the camp who kept a manually-organized directory tree for music for years, and would still prefer that mode o…

> know that everything lives in one place. That was what bothered me about iTunes...I was never sure WHERE things lived. Even if I pointed it at a folder, was that my music, or just an input source for where my music actually ended up living?

was that my music, or just an input source for where my music actually ended up living?

If you have "Organize my music" checked then iTunes copies the files to its library. If you have it unchecked, then the files stay where you left them.

Re: Apple Plans End of iTunes

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Post by rifung »

rusk wrote: post #39
untog wrote: post #15

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You are in a tiny minority. I say this as a fellow member of that minority. But our complaints have (and should have) very little to do with what Apple does or doesn't do with iPads.

Except that you need developers to build an ecosystem and Apple is currently alienating them in droves. developers developera developers as a wise man once said

How does that argument follow? Apple needs developers but they don't need those developers writing code using an iPad do they?

After all, iPhones have an endless amount of apps but nobody (or close enough to nobody) is developing apps using their iPhone.

Re: Apple Plans End of iTunes

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Post by CraigRood »

I'm torn on this one. Part of me loves iTunes and it does so much more than the typical user will ever realise, but the other part of me sees that iTunes is come to the end of the road and an entire rebuild of the Apple Music app needs to happen. I still miss features like iTunes DJ. It was the best way to just click play and enjoy your library, and hasn't been replaced by any player that I know of including Spotify.

Re: Apple Plans End of iTunes

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Post by MBCook »

wuunderbar wrote: post #27

I really hope the next iOS makes some sort of "leapfrog" UX change where we move away from icons on a grid for the home screen, especially for iPad. I know this may alienate and confuse some iOS users, but I trust Apple can figure out some way for this to be intuitive for their users.

A redesign, for the iPad only, to fix these kind of issues is heavily rumored.

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Post by biql »

> The company is launching a trio of new apps for the Mac – Music, TV, and Podcasts – to replace iTunes.

Nice. It's always better to have multiple programs each dedicated to a specific task than one that tries to be everything.

Re: Apple Plans End of iTunes

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Post by vondur »

If this is true, and it follows Apple normal software re-write playbook, then the new replacement will have hardly any functionality compared the current iTunes version.

Re: Apple Plans End of iTunes

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Post by asveikau »

scarface74 wrote: post #28
kvark wrote: post #8

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Minority here, I never understood why music players shifted towards iTune-ish style of owning and re-categorizing everything in their own way... I mean, OS has a file system, why not just rely on it? Throw some searchable tags in, and you get the same abilities but without obscurity.

No you don’t. With iTunes you could have smart playlists like “create a list of all of the songs I haven’t played in X days”. Normal people didn’t want to tag songs and use the filesystem. Do I really need to bring up the “No Wireless. Less Space than a Nomad. Lame.” Meme and how geeks didn’t get the iPod? https://slashdot.org/story/01/10/23/1816257/apple-releases-i...

I think you may be envisioning two extremes when the parent comment wants a happy medium. I.e. files on disk in any way the customer wants, but add a db on the side to do things like play counts and tags. With reasonable defaults for most people who don't care about filesystem layout.

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Post by im3w1l »

wuunderbar wrote: post #42
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #30

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Why?

For iPad, it's primarily clunky and a huge waste of space. For iPhone, I'm certain there is a better way to discover and open apps than what was devised a decade ago. The current pull-down search is useful, but as a naive idea: some sort of search & auto-complete on the home screen would be great. EDIT: Bonus - Trying to organize your apps is a nightmare. How do you organize a bunch of icons split across multiple scr…

> The average person has 60-90 apps installed on their phone, using around 30 of them each month and launching 9 per day.

https://9to5mac.com/2017/05/05/average-app-user-per-day/

I don't know exactly what that means but I figured it is a good starting point for a discussion.

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